Actor ERIC MARGOLIS: 9/11. THE MOTHER OF ALL COINCIDENCES

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Actor ERIC MARGOLIS: 9/11. THE MOTHER OF ALL COINCIDENCES

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ERIC MARGOLIS: 9/11. THE MOTHER OF ALL COINCIDENCES

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- 13. Sep, 2010 in 9/11, Commentary/Analysis, Israel, Media, Middle east, News/Politics, U.S. Foreign Policy -
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Ever since 9/11, readers keep asking me my views on these attacks. I have been barraged with emails until my head spins with engineering studies about melting steel, controlled explosions, claims about nefarious plots, and wreckage analysis.

One of the most colorful theories comes from Gen. Hamid Gul, former director of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, ISI. He insists that 9/11 was staged by Israel’s Mossad and a cabal of rightwing US Air Force generals.

I inspected the ruins of the New York’s Twin Towers, atop which I often dined, right after the attack. Downtown Manhattan was enveloped by a hideous, stinking miasma from the attack. I have never smelled anything so awful. It took me days to scrub the foul odor off my body. As a native New Yorker, I was shaken to the core by 9/11 – but hardly surprised, as I had predicted a major attack on the US nine days earlier.

While visiting the Pentagon to consult on the Mideast, I also inspected its outside wall hit by the third hijacked aircraft.
I saw photos of the impact site and could not understand what had happened to all the aircraft wreckage. There was almost none.

In 1993, I was hijacked over Germany on a Lufthansa flight bound for Cairo. The Ethiopian hijacker took us all the way back to New York City. The hijacker was threatening to crash our A310 jumbo jet into Wall Street.

Our flight was shadowed by US F-15 fighters that had orders to shoot, if necessary. Where, then, was US air defense on 11 Sept. 2001?

A day after 9/11, I was asked on CNN if Osama bin Laden was behind the attack. ‘We have yet to see the evidence,’ I replied. I maintain this position today.

Bin Laden denied he or al-Qaida was behind 9/11 and the death’s of nearly 3,000 people. The plot was hatched in Hamburg, Germany and Madrid, Spain, not in Afghanistan. A Pakistani, Khaled Sheik Mohammed, claimed he was the mastermind – after being tortured by near-drowning 183 times by the CIA.

While denying involvement, Osama bin Laden did say he believed the attack on New York was in part motivated by Israel’s destruction of downtown Beirut during its 1982 invasion of Lebanon that inflicted some 18,000 civilian deaths.

Tapes that appeared to confirm bin Laden’s guilt were clumsy fakes. They were supposedly “found” in Afghanistan by the anti-Taliban Afghan Northern Alliance, which was created and funded by Russian intelligence.

I had met Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and told CNN viewers that he was not the man in the tapes.

After 9/11, Secretary of State Colin Powell promised Americans the State Department would issue a White Paper detailing bin Laden’s guilt. Afghanistan’s Taliban government asked for this document before it would extradite bin Laden, as the US was demanding. The White Paper was never produced, and the US ignored proper legal procedure and invaded Afghanistan. We still wait for evidence.

I remain uncertain that Osama bin Laden was really behind the attacks. Much circumstantial evidence points to him and al-Qaida, but conclusive proof still lacks. One thing is certain: the attacks were planned and mounted from Germany, not Afghanistan. Of the 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudis, two from the United Arab Emirates, one an Egyptian and a Lebanese.

By the way, I’ve said ever since 9/11 that the danger and size of al-Qaida has been vastly exaggerated – as an explosive report this week by the London’s esteemed International Institute for Strategic Studies has just confirmed. Al-Qaida, dedicated to fighting the Afghan Communists, never had more than 300 members at its peak.

Today, according to CIA chief Leon Panetta, there are no more than 50 al-Qaida men in Afghanistan. Yet President Barack Obama has tripled the number of US troops in Afghanistan to 120,000 because of what to calls the al-Qaida threat. What is going on?

Many people abroad believe al-Qaida is an American invention used to justify foreign military operations. I do not share this view. Osama bin Laden was never a US agent, though his group indirectly received funds from CIA to fight the Communists.

Back to 9/11. I still cannot understand how amateur pilots could manage to maneuver in low to hit the World Trade Center and Pentagon. As a Pakistani intelligence agent told me, “if they were really amateur Arab pilots, they would have crashed into one another, not the World Trade Center!”

The arrest of Israeli “movers” filming the attack and dancing with joy, and the subsequent arrest of groups of Israeli “students” supposedly tracking the would-be hijackers remains a deep mystery. So does the immobilization of US air defenses.

The US 9/11 Commission was a whitewash, as are all such government commissions. They are designed to obscure, not reveal, the truth.

A 2006, a Scripps Howard/Washington Post poll found that 36% of the 1,000 Americans sampled believed the US government was behind 9/11. Many Americans still do not believe the official version of 9/11.

Neither do many Europeans. The entire Muslim world believes 9/11 was the work of Israel and far right American neocons, led by Dick Cheney.

If the official story about 9/11 is true, the attacks caught the Bush administration asleep on guard duty. Bush’s incompetent national security advisor, Condoleeza Rice, brushed off serious warnings of the impending attack and actually cut spending on anti-terrorism just before 9/11.

The White House and media were quick to blame Muslims who hated America’s lifestyle and values, launching the concept of “Islamic terrorism” – i.e. that the Muslim faith, not political issues, prompted the attacks.

This dangerous canard has infected America, leading to a rising tide of Islamophobia. This week’s continued uproar over a Muslim community center in downtown New York, and a Florida preacher’s threat to burn Korans, are the latest doleful example of cultivated religious hatred.

The suicide team that attacked New York and Washington made clear its aim was: a. to punish the US for backing Israel’s repression of Palestinians; and b. what they called US “occupation” of Saudi Arabia. Though they were all Muslims, religion was not the motivating factor.

As the CIA’s former bin Laden expert Michael Scheuer rightly observed, the Muslim world was furious at the US for what it was doing in their region, not because of America’s values, liberties or religion.

These motives for the 9/11 attack have been largely obscured by the whipping up hysteria over “Islamic terrorism.” The planting of anthrax in New York, Florida and Washington soon after 9/11 was clearly designed to promote further anti-Muslim furor. The perpetrators of this red herring remain unknown. But the anthrax attack hastened passage of the semi-totalitarian Patriot Act that sharply limited the personal freedoms of Americans and imposed draconian new laws.

Faked bin Laden videos and audio tapes. Planted anthrax. An intact Koran implausibly found at ground zero. Evidence in a hijacker’s bag that had somehow failed to make his ill-fated flight. Immediate claims that al-Qaida was behind the attacks. Those amateur kamikaze pilots and collapsing towers.

Perhaps most damning, tapes taken in London of meetings between President George Bush and PM Tony Blair revealed a sinister proposal by the US president to provoke war with Iraq by painting US aircraft in UN colors, then buzzing Iraqi air defenses until they fired on them, thus providing a “casus belli.” Bush also reportedly told Blair that after Iraq, he would “go on” to attack Saudi Arabia, Syria and Pakistan.

In 1939, Nazi Germany dressed up soldiers in Polish uniforms to provoke a border fire-fight to justify Berlin’s ensuing invasion of Poland. Bush’s plan was of the same ilk. A president who would contemplate such a criminal operation might go a lot further to achieve his imperial dreams.

As a veteran journalist, to me, all this smells to high heaven. There are just too many unanswered questions, too many suspicions, and that old Roman legal question, “cui bono” – “to whose benefit?”

On 28 February, 1933, fire, set by a Dutch Jew, ravaged the Germany’s parliament, the Reichstag. While the Reichstag’s ruins were still smoking, Adolf Hitler’s government declared a war against “terrorism.” A “Decree for the Protection of People and State” was promulgated suspending all legal protections of speech, assembly, property, and personal liberties. The Reichstag fire allowed the government to round up “terrorism” suspects without due process of law and made police powers near absolute.

Sound familiar? Here’s another startling coincidence. Two years before 9/11, a series of mysterious apartment building bombings in Russia killed over 200 people. “Islamic terrorists” from Chechnya were blamed.

Panic swept Russia and boosted former KGB agent Vladimir Putin into full power. Russian security agents of FSB were caught red-handed planting explosives in another building, but the story was hushed up. A former FSB agent, Alexander Litvinenko, who tried to reveal this story, was murdered in London by radioactive polonium.

Similarly, the Bush administration’s neocons shamelessly used 9/11 to promote the invasion of Iraq. Just before the attack, polls showed 80% of Americans erroneously believed Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. Dr. Goebbels would have been proud.

So what, in the end, can we conclude? 1. We still do not know the real story about 9/11. 2. The official version is not credible. 3. 9/11 was used to justify invading strategic Afghanistan and oil-rich Iraq. 4. The attacks plunged America into wars against the Muslim world and enriched the US arms industry. 5. 9/11 boosted pro-Israel neoconservatives, formerly a fringe group, into power, and with them America’s totalitarian far right. 6. Bush’s unprovoked war against Iraq destroyed one of Israel’s two main enemies. 7. 9/11 put America in what may turn out to be a permanent state of war with the Muslim world – a key goal of the neoconservatives.

But I’ve seen no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up. Just, perhaps, the Mother of All Coincidences. In the end, it may just have been 19 angry Arabs and a bumbling Bush administration looking for someone else to blame.

Eric Margolis [send him mail] is the author of War at the Top of the World and the new book, American Raj: Liberation or Domination?: Resolving the Conflict Between the West and the Muslim World. See his website

Also See:
GORDON DUFF: AMERICA’S WORST KEPT 9/11 SECRET
ALAN HART: BREAKS SILENCE ABOUT 9/11 ON THE KEVIN BARRETT SHOW

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35 Comments

1.
Paul on the 13. Sep, 2010 remarked #

There may be no “hard” evidence of Israeli involvement but there’s more than enough evidence of Israeli foreknowledge.
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Earlaiman on the 13. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Considering that no real investigations have ever been conducted, it is not surprising that there is no “real” evidence of anything.

What the hell?

You put nothing in you get nothing out!

Earlaiman
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Earlaiman on the 13. Sep, 2010 remarked #

There have been just too many coincidences for coincidence!

Earlaiman
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Ross on the 13. Sep, 2010 remarked #

I give you all a bit of a chuckle.Some months ago I gave a copy of Blueprint for Truth by Architects and Engineers to a client who was an engineer.

When I asked him what he thought of the evidence.He said that the Towers were iconic buildings thus were susceptable to terrorists attacks.So the US Govt probably had them secretly wired with explosives so they could be brought down safely.

Now we have CIA,FBI ENRON offices in WTC7 permanently wired with nano thermite along with the towers.It gives a whole new meaning to no smoking signs.Smoking can ruin your health.

Now if the US Govt had them wired for safety reasons,Silverstein must have forgotten to warn 3000 people to evacuate before they flicked the switch.

Now it is all clear.Larry was busy ringing his insurance company to see if they’d pay out on a controlled demo rather than a terrorist attack,thus it completely slipped his mind to warn everyone to escape.
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Bob on the 13. Sep, 2010 remarked #

If you haven’t yet read Christopher Bollyn’s work, you should. That provides a good overview of the evidence of Israel’s involvement.

Also have a look at:
www dot whale dot to/b/israel_did_911.html

Also, look at ae911truth dot org. There is absolutely no doubt at all that those collapses were a controlled demolition. Thousands and thousands of highly qualified architects, engineers, demolition experts and so on will tell you this with complete certainty, and have signed their names to this. If you look for qualified architects, engineers or demolition experts who say with certainty that there was no controlled demolition, you won’t be able to find five, and the few that you do find will be working for the government.
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JA Hiraishi on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

One fact that has not been given much, if any press as far as I know, is the name of the commander of NORAD at that time who was responsible for the air defenses of North America. He was Gen Richard Myers. Sound familiar?

Shortly after his orders for his fighter jets to stand down and allow the attacks on WTC to take place, he was rewarded with a promotion to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the most powerful military position on the planet. And from that lofty perch, he was instrumental in enabling the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Lokis on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Stay off small planes Eric – glad to see you are beginning to question your masters – do a wee bit more research and you will find more that will bring you into the lite e.g. many of the supposed highjackers still live.
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Bubba on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

I agree with Eric’s premise in his article. With the passage of time and obfuscation from the government, it is now very difficult to separate ‘truth’ from fiction. Emotions have obscured ones ability to see the truth and we all end up seeing the devils we expect to see. I guess that the only good thing that has happened recently has been the economic implosion. It will rob potential war mongers of their ability to finance and ultimately wage discretionary war. If the ‘fringe’ neocons are truly an evil power lording over the US, then a little poverty will help them back into their corners.
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zen on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

No hard evidence? If the collapse of building 7 due to ‘office fires’ isnt hard evidence I dont know what is. Maybe Eric is just too hard headed to see hard evidence.
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Nelson_2008 on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Firstly, there aren’t a whole lot of “suspects” to choose from, are there? I mean, there simply aren’t a whole hell of a lot of “organizations” or “groups” with the means, motive and opportunity, were there?

Second, that there is a cover-up is self-evident; it’s indisputable. If there was nothing to cover up, there would be no cover-up, right? This in itself should be sufficiently damning proof of “inside job”.

Lastly, the overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to Israel and its agents (and I include the “U.S. government” in this category as it’s clearly not an independent actor).
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Debbie on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Isn’t it rather Grand Jury time?

Given the fact that it has become pretty widely accepted that it was not a gang of ignorant, incompetent Arabs with boxcuttters who hijacked some planes and blew down those buildings in the first place, nor an airliner which bore such a neat round hole into the Pentagon, but rather the Israeli Mossad in conjunction with some highly placed officials in the USG and if, as has been testified by reliable and proprietary authority, Building 7 was actually and deliberately “pulled” while inhabitants and rescue workers were still inside the building, then an act of Insurance Fraud as well as First Degree Murder have been committed. Isn’t it rather Grand Jury time?

Perhaps a few dozen subpoenas and indictments would crack this nut once and for all and open it up for all to see.

Long overdue! Long, long overdue.

The souls of thousands of innocent New Yorkers who died that day, as well as those thousands of Americans and “coalition allies” who followed them overseas and into phony foreign wars for no meaningful purpose other than to “avenge” a faux and fraudulent crime call for revelation, openness and Justice.

Many of these criminal fraudsters are still in Office. Many have retired or been thrown out. Most of them are still alive, and walking free!

It is high time for some Grand Jury Investigations to be followed by Indictments, Courts Martial and Impeachments!

C’mon Americans! Lets see you roll some subpoenas and indictments, to quote one of the “heroic” characters cited in this faux 9-11 fiasco!

All your President Obama has to do, if he is indeed a man, and if he is indeed the President of the US, is to call a Grand Jury. He has been to Law School and he knows who to call and how to do it.

All it takes is guts!
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Ronin on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Forget controlled demolition, or dancing Israelis or the ghost of Osama Bin Laden. The entire premise of the “official” version of 9/11 is utterly ridiculous. The hijack plan supposedly masterminded by Al-CIA-duh is a farce and would have been rejected out of hand as being totally impossible. Even if these supposed hijackers made it past airport security (and there isn’t a shred of evidence they were at the airports) they could have never expected to hijack a single aircraft without bringing down the entire US Airforce on their heads within in minutes. Then what did they plan to do? How did they even plan to navigate? Its a joke.
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Patrck Keller on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

You Have not heard of the military grade nanothermite found at ground zero? C’mon…
Is not that a good enough proof that Ben Laden had nothing to do with this?
Like the origin of the anthrax sent to congressmen, find where this nanothermtie was manufacutred and you’ll know who did it. By the way, Chris Bollyn, one of your colleagues, has a pretty good idea on this subject, as have others.
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Anthony on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

A Little Known Fact About the 9/11 Planes
by Anthony Lawson

Extract: …it would be a remarkable irony, and quite possibly a unique circumstance in the annals of American jurisprudence, if the assumptions used as reasons for launching wars against two sovereign nations, as well as the more generalised ‘War on Terror’ would not stand up as evidence in either a criminal prosecution or a civil damages suit in an American court of law.

It is not a theory but a fact—one that is well known within the 9/11 truth movement—that the 9/11 Commission failed to ensure that at least one of the appropriate government agencies: the NTSB, the FBI or the FAA was commissioned to positively identify the aircraft which were allegedly involved in the murders of nearly 3,000 people, on September 11, 2001.

One does not need to be a Harvard Law School graduate to know that the first and most important requirement in any murder investigation is to determine the cause of death, which often leads to a requirement to identify, and trace to its origins, a murder weapon, or, in the case of 9/11: weapons. And there can be no doubt that each of the four planes which were allegedly hijacked on the morning 9/11 was posited as being a murder weapon, by the U.S. administration and the 9/11 Commission, yet there is absolutely nothing which firmly connects the four allegedly-hijacked planes to any of the 9/11 crash sites.

In fact it is not fanciful to suggest that if a lawyer, even of a far lower calibre than that of an Alan Dershowitz, were engaged to defend the airport security companies that allegedly allowed 19 box-cutter-carrying Arabs to get onto those planes, he would immediately call for the dismissal of such an action on the grounds that the planes which allegedly hit the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the one which crashed near Shanksville had never been forensically identified as the planes which, allegedly, had been hijacked that morning.
And such a motion could not possibly be denied, as I will explain.

The planes in question were alleged to have been: American Airlines flight 11 (Tail Number: N334AA), North Tower; United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA), South Tower; American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA), the Pentagon, and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA), which supposedly crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. But the truth is that they could well have been different planes that had arrived on the scenes from quite different locations, because the crash debris recovered from those four crash sites has never been forensically linked to the planes that allegedly took off from Logan International, Boston; Dulles International, Washington and Newark International, New Jersey, and which were, allegedly, hijacked shortly thereafter. Therefore they cannot possibly be linked, without a reasonable doubt, to breaches of security at those airports.

So, it would be a remarkable irony, and quite possibly a unique circumstance in the annals of American jurisprudence, if the assumptions used as reasons for launching wars against two sovereign nations, as well as the more generalised ‘War on Terror’ would not stand up as evidence in either a criminal prosecution or a civil damages suit in an American court of law.

Air-crash investigations in the United States are normally carried out by the NTSB’s air accident investigation division, and there are several documentary television series featuring this government agency’s painstaking approach when investigating the causes of air crashes. During many such investigations, serial numbers from recovered parts are cross checked with the airline-in-question’s purchase and maintenance records, to try and identify the reason for an accident, when it is suspected that mechanical failure may have been the cause.

However the NTSB has confirmed that—apparently for the first time from its inception, in 1967, since when it has investigated more than 124,000 other aviation accidents—it took no part in investigating any of the air crashes which occurred on September 11, 2001. So the world has been asked to take it on faith and hearsay that the four planes involved were normal scheduled flights which were hijacked by Arab terrorists, some of whom, are, allegedly, still alive.

Even more disturbing is the fact that documentation exists, and is available on the Internet, which indicates that the FBI, backed up by a separate letter from the Justice Department has refused to release any information, under the Freedom of Information Act, about any debris recovered from the crash sites, including the serial number of the “Black Box” Cockpit Flight Data Recorder allegedly found near the alleged crash site of United Airlines Flight 93. It may be recalled that a transcript taken from this recorder formed the basis for several TV dramas and one Academy-Award winning feature film.

By no means finally, but just as disturbing, the core of a jet engine, which can been seen in several 9/11 videos falling out of the northern face of the WTC’s South Tower, and which hit a building on its way down, and was photographed and videoed—in the presence of FBI personnel and at least one FBI vehicle—where it came to rest at the junction of Church and Murray streets, was later photographed, prior to its burial in a land fill on Staten Island. So much for what murder investigators are usually so concerned about: The chain of custody and preservation of important evidence, pending its identification.

The events of 9/11 had consequences far beyond the destruction of life and property in the United States; they were the reasons for the launching of three wars. Yet it is obvious that a leader writer of an influential newspaper, the Washington Post, could not spare the time to look into such a serious matter—one that people with far fewer resources than he or she has access to have managed to do—before launching a scathing attack on a member of the Japanese parliament and the world-wide 9/11 truth movement, in general.

Just because the 9/11 Commission did not do its job properly is no excuse for newspaper writers not to do theirs. Unless, of course, newspapers such as the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times are playing a conscious role in a conspiracy to prevent the truth about these events from surfacing. In which case their editors and owners would almost certainly be guilty of misprision of felony.
I would like to stress that the identity of the planes is not the only reason why the 9/11 Commission’s findings should be regarded as invalid, and its members found guilty, at the very least, of gross oversights in the collection of the evidence which was used in the writing of its Final Report. Even a cursory look at the visual evidence of the collapsing World Trade Center’s Twin Towers and WTC 7 should have instilled grave doubts about the findings of some of the experts from the National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST.

But, for my money, the real smoking guns were, and still are, the four aircraft that were used as weapons on that terrible day, and for them not to have been identified breaks every rule in any book which seeks to teach the art of solving crimes.

Engine pictures:
http://www.rense.com/general64/wth.htm
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Patrck Keller on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Oh,and by the way, the most colorful theory did not come from Gen Gul, but from the White House.
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profnasty on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Dr. Alan Sabrosky is no fool. He is an American patriot. Cui bono? American arms makers (mostly Jewish/Neocon owned), Israel, american PlasticPolice, pasty white zio-christian “patriots” who seek to force Jesus to return by inciting nuclear war. Bring Jesus back by murdering millions of children. Dees(google images) people are evil beyond belief. Dey(don’t google) better hope Jesus does not come back soon!
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Andy Lee on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

“A former FSB agent, Alexander Litvinenko, who tried to reveal this story, was murdered in London by radioactive polonium.”

Nice touch at the end. You really know how to hustle the snake oil.
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Patrck Keller on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Hey, Eric, are you going to publish your disquisition on the Huffington Post. I dare you.
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Tim on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

How could Israeli intelligence be following the hijackers and yet not know what flight they were booking and what plane they were getting onto?
Didn’t they pull the same stunt about just giving a minimum of information to the US regarding the Beruit marine barracks bombing too?
This is a repeat of that.
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justanother on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

There’s only one word for this article:-

Diabolical – whoever he is…

Just another “Pawns in the Game” type.

So sad that people stray from or just cannot face truth, preferring the dark…and eternal oblivion.
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j r on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Either the US government was involved in 911 or the US taxpayer has been fleeced for the trillions spent on air defense since WW2.
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marz on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Obvious by the end statement that you want us to make your case for you. OK fine:

120 arrests prior and 60 after 9/11 of Israeli operatives in US who were released back to Israel. Some of the dancing Israelis Mosaad agents even admitted their cameras were set up in advance to record the event.

Zionist Phillip Zack was most likely anthrax suspect.

Israeli citizen Dov Zakheim was in charge of the trillions missing from the pentagon accounting department conveniently destroyed on 9/11. He also was the CEO of a company specializing in remote control of aircraft. Airport security for all hijacked planes that day and the crotch and shoe bombers was Israeli. Security for Trade center Israeli. Odigo prewarned Israelis. Only 2 or 3 Isralies killed at ground zero despite 4000 in area. I’m tired, somebody else take over.
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LanceThruster on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

There is no “coincidence” whatsoever involved in the destruction of evidence at a crime scene.
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george in Toronto on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Eric just sucked and blew it
I can understand his last comment–he couldn’t find evidunce.Sure Eric–you just did.
Eric is Jewish brought up in Israel. I’m afraid he is toast.Exposing the truth-planned accidents happen Eric,This article will be the death wish to your career.
Note: Why is Eric coming around? Last month he got his walking papers from decades of reporting for Toronto Sun–too Gentile not enoughKosherpig :^/
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Nelson_2008 on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Immediately following 9/11, somebody went through a lot of trouble to spread propaganda about the cause of the WTC towers’ “collapses”.

In so doing, somebody implicated themselves.

I’d love to hear one of the apologists for the “official” conspiracy theory explain this damning little piece of investigative journalism:

http://colorado911visibility.org/2009/0 ... ick-marks/
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Doug on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

the recent press conference by Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth will certainly cause you to question the official government version of what happened on 911. the comdedian
Mr. Dick Gregory just turned 80 years old and pledged to fast until 2012 on behalf of the truth of the 911 demolition.
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Ross on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Debbie; The reason why they won’t issue subpoenas for the crimes of 911 is that the first prosecutor to do so will simply disappear.The media will ask no questions.

It is a matter of courage and getting support systems in place for those who are willing to do it.
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elisabeth angel on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Eric wrote:
“In 1939, Nazi Germany dressed up soldiers in Polish uniforms to provoke a border fire-fight to justify Berlin’s ensuing invasion of Poland.”

This is false — just one more of the lies that are endlessly spewed about Germany and WWII. Now honestly, whom would you trust to tell the truth — a German or an Israeli? And who are the masters of false flags — Germans??? I don’t think so!

The Zionists love to accuse others of what they do so often themselves — another example is the Reichstag fire;it too was NOT a Nazi false flag, though the Zionist media portray it as such.

At the url below you can find an article by the Catalonian revisionist author Joaquin Bochaca which tells the real story of the “Gleiwitz incident” and explains why the false flag allegation makes no sense whatever.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... GlenI.html
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Qualtrough on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

The controlled demolition or remote controlled planes theories are nonsense. Far more likely is that Israeli intelligence agents were tailing the hijacking group, and may even have had one or more agent provocateurs among the group. I also think it is likely that they knew a big operation was at hand, although they may not have realized the extent of it. In any case they were pleased with the outcome, as 9/11 advanced Israeli interests as far as they were concerned. The evidence of the ‘dancing’ Israelis, groups of art students, and moving firms is compelling and needs further investigation. Right now it is lost amid all the nutcase tinfoil hat theories out there.
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Ross on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Qualtrough obiviously refuses to view the evidence.There is absolute scientific proof of controlled demolition.These buildings according to the official defied the laws of physics,jet fuel burned at more than twice it’s optimum temp to melt masses of steel.Danny Jowenko an expolosives expert who knew nothing of WTC 7,the third building said ,100% controlled demolition.

Anyone who seriously views all the evidnence and denies the reality is either retarded or has an agenda of self interest.
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Nelson_2008 on the 14. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Everywhere on the internet where 9/11 truth is being discussed and the official lies exposed, along comes a “Qualtrough” screaming “nonsense” and trying to defend Israel and its fanatical partisans with the usual “limited hangout” propaganda.

Well “Qualtrough”, the debate is over and you liars lost.

Notwithstanding the dynamics of the buildings “collapses” which irrefutably prove controlled demolition, or the impossibility of a human being (especially one who’s never been at the controls of a jetliner before) making the precision banked turn Flt 175 made as it approached its target at almost 600 mph, in an 11 to 22 mph crosswind, the fact of the matter is that the criminals gave themselves dead away with their pathetic attempt to cover up their tracks.

Let’s hear your exculpatory explanation for this:
http://colorado911visibility.org/2009/0 ... ick-marks/
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Debbie on the 15. Sep, 2010 remarked #

A relevant excerpt from a recent post sent to a publication, by Dr. Alan Sabrosky:

Your coverage of 9/11 was very good, but you neglected to mention the collapse of a third tower at the World Trade Center later that same day. This was WTC7, a 47-story building that collapsed straight down into its own footprint in under 7 seconds – and it was not hit by a plane.

Many architects, civil engineers and especially demolitions experts have described the collapse of WTC7 as a very professional controlled demolition. This video of a Dutch demolitions expert is especially telling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc

Everyone should understand that if one WTC building was wired for a controlled demolition, then all of them were, and the planes were only intended to be a gruesome distraction. Further, neither 19 named Arabs on 4 planes nor any of their on-site supporters had the expertise, access and local support to do that – which means we have been taking casualties while killing some of the wrong people for nine years, with more to come.

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College. He can be contacted at docbrosk@comcast.net
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Debbie on the 15. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Another one of Dr. Sabrosky’s analysis worth reading:

Treason, Betrayal and Deceit: 9/11 and Beyond

By Alan Sabrosky.

September 10, 2009 “Information Clearing House’ — The attacks on September 11, 2001 have been a defining moment for America. The political and psychological impact on Americans of a concerted and visible attack in America was enormous — indeed, it is an interesting “coincidence” that the attacks occurred on the one day of the year whose mention reinforces a public sense here of danger and emergency: 9-1-1.

A significant development in the 1990s was the formation of the neo-conservative think tank known as PNAC (Project for a New American Century), whose members prepared position papers for the Israeli government and for a future US Administration sharing their views. That happened in 2000 with the election of George W. Bush, and a contemporary writer summarized the tip of the neo-conservative iceberg in his first Administration this way:

The “outsiders” from PNAC were now powerful “insiders,” placed in important positions from which they could exert maximum pressure on US policy…PNAC had a lock on military policy-creation in the Bush Administration.

Especially significant in terms of subsequent events was the acknowledgement in one of PNAC’s own documents that their program for America (and Israel) would not readily be accepted by the American people. What this meant, PNAC opined in 2000, was that “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”

9/11 Reconsidered

On September 11, 2001, the PNAC people in and out of government — and by extension AIPAC and Israel — “coincidentally” got the event they needed, barely eight months after coming into office. Most people are familiar with the basic details of that day — two commercial aircraft crashing into the two tallest buildings in New York City’s World Trade Center (WTC), a third striking the Pentagon, and a fourth ending up in a Pennsylvania field. Few people will forget the images of the burning buildings, their collapse, the casualties, and the sense of shock and tragedy that ensued.

The official 9/11 Commission’s work and report were at best an incomplete exercise. Many people dismiss the findings of the Commission, and that includes its co-chairs. Many others who utterly distrust the 9/11 Commission report, dismiss the US Government’s explanation of it, and point to both an official cover-up and an “inside job,” include veteran fighter pilots, EMTs (Emergency Medical Technicians), air defense experts, experienced commercial pilots, demolition experts, architects and civil engineers – none of them professions that inherently attract and retain the gullible and credulous.

Several things are very clear to me from a careful assessment of both official and critical evaluations of the 9/11 attacks. First, the striking aircraft alone simply could not have brought down either of the two buildings in the manner in which they fell, much less a third building which was not hit by a plane (I expect the one intended to do that as a “cover” had ended up in that Pennsylvania field), given the available physical evidence and a wealth of expert testimony. This means the attackers had assistance on the ground, and it had to have been active before the attacks occurred: preparing buildings for controlled demolition is not something done haphazardly in the midst of chaos.

Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel’s Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies. Only the unexpected strength of the Iraqi resistance kept Syria and Iran from being attacked in the second Bush Administration. Thus, the evidential trail for 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq run from PNAC, AIPAC and their cohorts; through the mostly Jewish neo-cons in the Bush Administration; and back to the Israeli government. None of the denials and political machinations can alter that essential reality. Terms such as treason, betrayal and deceit do not overstate the case against them.

Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government’s treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath. And the reason is that on this issue, all are on the same side, and the official line is the one they all prefer – “all” meaning the PNAC alumni who took over the Bush Administration’s national security apparatus and their counterparts in the Obama administration, AIPAC and the rest of the numerous Jewish PACs, the MSM owners and Israel. The depiction of the media management in America in 2002 is especially informative, and has not changed significantly since then:

CEOs and Directors of companies change as often as Boards of Directors vote. But if we could “freeze frame” the CEOs of the largest US Media companies in mid 2002, we would find that ten Jewish American men ran the vast majority of US television networks and other media companies including movies, radio, and publishing at that time. Not much has changed today.

Looking Ahead

Today we are getting the same line on Iran, from the same type of people — Obama himself tries to be more independent, but most of the key staff and national security people in his Administration do not differ greatly on Israel and the Middle East from those of his predecessor. And the Congress has shown itself to be even more of AIPAC’s lap-dog than the preceding Congress, an exercise in self-serving cowardice that admittedly has taken some doing.

But AIPAC and company are riding a tiger in America, and if they ever slip, the resulting convulsion will be catastrophic for them and for Israel. The open unfolding of the 9/11 tragedy and its ensuing wars that is now occurring can be that slip. The human cost to America to date is some 60,000 people, military and civilian, killed or wounded on 9/11 and in Iraq and Afghanistan together, with more to come once we go to war with Iran (or get dragged into it following an Israeli attack on Iran). Much of the deliberately misdirected rage that followed 9/11 has given way to endurance and grief.

But grief is a close cousin to rage, and an enraged America is not pretty, as anyone familiar with our history can appreciate. Americans are often deceptive without meaning to be. To much of the world, they often come across as naive, bumbling innocents in the world of global politics. And on a day-to-day basis, there is much truth to that.

But an enraged America is a very different character. You have only to look at what happened in WWII to German and Japanese cities, towns and villages, where America slaughtered literally millions of German and Japanese civilians — most of them women and children — knew it was doing it, and cared nothing at all. The goal was to crush, and restraint was not a word used much at all.

If these Americans and those like them ever fully understand just how much of their suffering — and the suffering we have inflicted on others — is properly laid on the doorsteps of Israel and its advocates in America, they will sweep aside those in politics, the press and the pulpits alike whose lies and disloyalty brought this about and concealed it from them. They may well leave Israel looking like Carthage after the Romans finished with it. It will be Israel’s own great fault.

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College. He can be contacted at docbrosk@comcast.net

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34.
Rehmat on the 18. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Some of the ‘coincidences’ my fellow Canadian Eric Margolis missed…..

“The most important thing for us is to find Osama bin Laden. It’s our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him,” Dubya Bush, September 13, 2001.

“I don’t know where he is. I have no idea and I really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority,” Dubya Bush, March 2002.

“You cannot distinguish between Al-Qaeda and Saddam,” Dubya Bush, September 25, 2002.

“We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein had either direction or control of 9/1,” Condoleeza Rice, Dubya Bush’s National Security Adviser, September 16, 2003.

“Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I’ll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 – it’s the threat against Israel,” Philip Zelikow, a member of the 9/11 Commission, told a crowed at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002.

“Bush is the only one who could have given permission to US military jets to intercept and shoot down the hijacked planes thereby averting every target hit after the first. It is likely that he knew that other hijacked planes were in the air, and he could have given the command to intercept and shoot down if necessary. His known behavior constituted gross negligence at best, and given what he most probably knew; treason,” Sterling D. Allan, October 12, 2003.

“I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself, to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks… The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States,” Osama bin Laden’s first tape released after 9/11.

In a recent poll – 74% of Americans who participated – don’t believe in the “official story of 9/11? anymore.

Thierry Meyssan, French political anaylst wrote under the title, Nine years after September 11:

We have commemorated the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, which served as pretext for a war which was meant to last forever. After killing nearly three thousand people in the U.S., the organizers of the attacks caused the death of more than one million people in Afghanistan and Iraq. They planned to extend the carnage to Syria and Iran, but have failed -for the time being- to implement that stage of the plan.

On the occasion of this sad anniversary, those who shifted the blame for their own crimes on the Islamists before ravaging the Muslim Middle East, have come up with a new stage production. A fake debate about the construction of a Muslim center in Manhattan has been shaking the United States, while another one has been sparked by the cries to burn the Koran.

In the end, the U.S. authorities will not fail to proclaim that they intervened to guarantee freedom of religion in their own country, expecting us to forget that the massive crimes committed by them in the Middle East were perpetrated in the spirit of a new crusade against Islam.

They want to dull our awareness of their failure to convince us. Nine years ago, I stood alone to refute the lies of September 11, to denounce the coup d’état at the hands of the industrial-military complex, and to warn against the bellicose projects of the new Empire. In spite of the insults, the threats and the attacks, I traveled the world over sensitizing international public opinion and exposing the ideology behind the “clash of civilizations”.

I was prevented from pursuing this objective in the United States, where I was declared persona non grata. However, after assimilating the blow and accepting my grief, brave U.S. citizens have raised the banner of truth in their own country. Polls indicate that each year 10% more Americans join the ranks of those who challenge the official version adopted by the Kean-Hamilton Commission. Currently over 70%, including Mr. Kean and Hamilton – who were in charge of imposing the definitive government’s version – are openly skeptical. At this rate, within three years the entire U.S. population will reject the official version.

Today, a majority of people throughout the world demands that light be shed on these crimes. Having used September 11 to justify their invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq before the United Nations, the United States and the United Kingdom have put the issue squarely in the international arena. The time has come for the UN General Assembly to set up an investigative committee to compile the evidence already in the public domain, and prepare an indictment against the real suspects.

Whether our loved ones were killed in the ruins of the World Trade Center or in the rubble of the bombed houses in Kabul and Baghdad, whether our children were killed by the occupants or died occupying the Middle East, we are the victims of the same system. We must fight together to estabish the whole truth and to hold the culprits accountable, because peace cannot be achieved without justice.

http://rehmat2.wordpress.com/2010/09/17 ... mysteries/
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Mike Boileau on the 18. Sep, 2010 remarked #

Listen to me! If anybody out there has ever put in an insurance claim for a loss involving a house fire then you will know full well that the Insurance Companies never pay out without a thorough investigation. In the case of WTC 7 we have Owner and Beneficiary, Larry Silverstein, telling Public TV that “I told the Fire Captain to Pull the building”. He explains that he wanted the Firemen out because it was too dangerous for them. LEGAL POINT here people!!!!! It is not the authority of Larry Silverstein, the insurance benefactor, to make that call. It is the Insurance Company’s man on scene, (In this case), to make that call. If you or I pulled a stunt like that, telling the Firemen to leave the building and stop fighting the fire, we would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER EVER have our claim paid out to us. It would be denied on the basis the Fire Department could have either saved the building or reduced the damage. If what Silverstein says was true, then his actions caused the building to continue to burn and that is what caused the collapse, if you believe the “Official Explanations” out there. His insurance claim(s) must be denied and then let him fight it out in Court with the Insurance Companies.

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9/11 Truth is Still the Issue by James Corbett

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9/11 Truth is Still the Issue by James Corbett
The Corbett Report
6 September, 2010
http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/2 ... _issue.htm

With the ninth anniversary of the events of September 11, 2001 fast approaching, The Corbett Report has released an in-depth audio/visual exploration of where the 9/11 Truth Movement stands and where it is heading.

Drawing on the thoughts and opinions of Dr. Bob Bowman, Richard Gage, AIA, Aidan Monaghan, Kevin Ryan, Anthony Flammia and many others, "9/11 Truth is Still the Issue" attempts to consolidate the 9/11 Truth movement's gains and ponder the best way forward for 9/11 researchers and activists.

Download an mp3 audio version of the report by clicking here or watch the Youtube video version in the player below:

From the introduction:

9/11 Truth is the issue for-ending the wars of aggression that have wreaked such havoc on the world and so far resulted in the loss of thousands of Americans and over a million Iraqis, not to mention the scores of Afghanis and Pakistanis that the Western media finds too unimportant to even tally.
ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW


9/11 Truth is the issue for exposing one of the largest swindles in history, the 2.3 trillion dollars that Donald Rumsfeld pronounced "missing" from the Pentagon's coffers on September 10, 2001, the day before the attack on the most heavily defended building in the world that left the very office that was investigating those missing trillions smoking in ruins.

9/11 Truth is the issue for unraveling decades of manipulation of foreign "terrorist assets" in calculated strategies of tension that have left thousands of dead bodies in their wake, all directly attributable to the machinations of intelligence agencies and their cohorts.

9/11 Truth is one of the few issues that gives any hope at striking at the true root of the system that has acted so concertedly against the interests of the people and resulted in the erection of a control grid to watch over the populace for the benefit of the plutocrats, the well-connected and the banksters

In short, 9/11 Truth is one of the most important issues with which we can possibly hope to press forward, even now, 9 years after those horrific events unfolded.

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3 new groups join the 9/11 Truth Movement

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3 new groups join the 9/11 Truth Movement
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Targeting Laser Light Spot at the World Trade Center!

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Something new that a person is putting forth. Interesting.
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Targeting Laser Light Spot at the World Trade Center!
http://letsrollforums.com/targeting-las ... t1715.html


This is a very interesting piece of evidence. It is unique in many ways. A few seconds before what is alleged to have been Flight 175, by the Government and the Airlines, what appears to be a bright white targeting laser painting the side of the World Trade Center. It starts to the far left of the side of the World Trade Center which is about to be struck, and then drifts over about 70% across the side of the WTC, and then the plane hits right underneath this laser light. And after the plane goes into the World Trade Center, this bright white laser light jumps onto the emerging fireball now coming out the right side of the World Trade Center, and then jumps onto the face of a building perhaps a mile away, perhaps 2 miles away.

Some people claim this is a piece of paper, being lit up by the Sun, drifting across the facade of the South Tower. But this isn't really a reasonable hypothesis because;

* The laser light then jumps onto the fireball emerging from the planes impact of the tower. Thus it is fairly resilient paper, seeing how the fireball it lands on does not incinerate it. ---
* The laser light on the South Tower jumps from the facade of the World Trade Center, South Tower, onto the fireball, and then onto the face of a building a good distance away. About a mile. In the snap of your fingers. Thus because of the speed this laser light travels, it is impossible for it to be a piece of paper, floating across the South Towers facade. ---
* Also, notice that this is the dark side of the building. And the Sun is hidden. Thus there could be no source of light to illuminate the piece of paper. It should also be remembered that the person filming this is literally miles and miles away from the World Trade Center as she is filming this. Are we to believe that a piece of paper miles away could really be seen from such a distance, even with the zoom on the Camera? The idea is as silly as it is preposterous ---
* The idea that it is a piece of paper really isn't even plausible. Because it happens right in the last few seconds before the Military Drone hits the building. And then this phenomena can't be found again on any other footage. ---
* And to put the paper theory to rest, if it were a piece of paper, reflecting light, it would be an awful large piece of paper. And we can assume many other pieces of paper would be drifting around the outside of the world trade center after the North Tower was struck. Yet we see this phenomena only once. In the last few seconds before the Military Drone, struck the World Trade Center. With so many pieces of paper drifting around, why is it the only one which lights up and looks like a laser targeting light? ---

Others have speculated that it is a light from the Aircrafts wing. Right at the Wing junction, where it meets the fuselage, there is a headlight on each wing.

* But this can be ruled out completely, because the laser light is still visible after the plane impacts the World Trade Center. It jumps onto the Fireball, after impact, and then jumps onto another building a good distance away. Thus it cannot be one of the planes own headlights.

The only logical conclusion is exactly what it looks like. A targeting laser light, more than likely to help guide the plane to hit exactly where it was intended to hit. If it looks like a targeting laser, and acts like a targeting laser light, chance are, it is indeed a targeting laser light. We can probably assume that there were multiple and redundant guidance systems employed to make sure this Military Drone hit exactly where it was intended to hit. I think it is safe to assume it also employed GPS guidance systems. And perhaps even a radio beacon inside the World Trade Center as well. More than likely triple redundant systems were employed to insure it struck its target right where it was intended. And it is possible as well, that this is the very reason the "pod" or extra piece of equipment was added to this aircrafts fuselage. It is possible that the appendage on the bottom of this aircraft goes together with the targeting laser. To read the laser and help guide this aircraft to its proper designated target.

YouTube- Laser Painting "UAV" Drone Attack on WTC 9/11 Evidence
YouTube- Laser Painting "UAV" Drone Attack on WTC 9/11 Evidence

Laser Targeting UAV, Evidence of Military Technology on 9/11 (original)


YouTube- Laser Targeting UAV, Evidence of Military Technology on 9/11 (original)
YouTube- Laser Targeting UAV, Evidence of Military Technology on 9/11 (original)

* Laser
* Laser - MSNBC
* Cameraplanet Footage - 45 MEG File! Downloaded off their
server after 911

Here it is from the same video-cam, but now with an MSNBC logo, as MSNBC ran this Video on 911;

* Laser - MSNBC



To compare this laser light on the facade of the World Trade Center, watch this short video massacre of Iraqi's which are bing painted with a targeting laser;

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.


And to see some Military Laser Targeting Pods on Military Aircraft, which look and awful lot like the appendage on the planes fuselage, alleged to have been Flight 175 at the South Tower, see the spoiler below;

Spoiler:


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http://www.vectorsite.net/twbomb_12.html

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[12.0] Targeting Pods

v1.6.0 / chapter 12 of 13 / 01 nov 06 / greg goebel / public domain
* Smart weapons often require specialized targeting systems, and so it is useful to include them in this document. This chapter provides a survey of targeting pods.






[12.1] INTRODUCTION TO TARGETING PODS
[12.2] ALD / PAVE KNIFE / TRIM / LRMTS & PAVE PENNY
[12.2] PAVE SPIKE / PAVE TACK / TRAM / IRADS / ETC
[12.3] LANTIRN / NITE HAWK & ETC
[12.4] SNIPER / ISRAELI LITENING / ATFLIR / ATP
[12.5] FRENCH ATLIS, PDLCT, DAMOCLES / BRITISH TIALD

[12.1] INTRODUCTION TO TARGETING PODS

* With the introduction of laser guided bombs, some means were also required to guide them, and this led to the first generation of LGB targeting pods. In its simplest possible configuration, such a pod was fitted with a turret containing a TV boresighted with a laser, with the rest of the pod providing support systems. The pod was usually carried by a two-seat strike aircraft, with the weapons system officer (WSO) in the back seat viewing the target image provided by the pod, and using a joystick or similar hand controller to keep the target lined up in the display crosshairs.


For various reasons, some first-generation targeting pods could not be used to designate a target for the aircraft carrying the pod. This meant that the aircraft with the pod had to "buddy designate" for aircraft without the pod but carrying LGBs. Of course, pods were quickly improved to allow an aircraft to "self-designate" or "auto-designate" its own LGBs. Other refinements were introduced. The camera could be designed to provide either a wide field of view (FOV) to help find a target, or a narrow FOV for precise targeting.
One of the problems with the simple targeting pod described above is that once the strike aircraft has dropped its LGB and is departing the target area, the tracking movement of the pod turret may turn the target image upside down, making it confusing for the WSO to keep the crosshairs on target. A "horizon-natural" system automatically flipped the image over if it became inverted. Another useful item was a recorder to store video and other data for "post strike" intelligence.


Of course, TV is limited to daylight and fair weather. Light-intensifying TV cameras could be used to overcome darkness, but the more favored solution was to use a "forward looking infrared (FLIR)" imager, which could be used night or day, and also to a degree in murky weather. FLIR imagery can be confusing, since its images show the heat patterns from a target, not the patterns of reflected light that a camera can pick up, and so FLIR displays can generally be switched to display a positive or negative image in hopes that the WSO can make more sense of one than the other. Since fitting both FLIR and a TV camera in a pod was difficult for a time, FLIR generally displaced TV cameras in "second-generation" targeting pods.


FLIRs were also used in "navigation pods", which used a wide-angle FLIR that was fixed to stare forward to show the pilot the terrain ahead. There were also "laser spot tracker" pods that allowed an aircraft to spot a target illuminated by a laser target designator carried by ground troops or other aircraft, making the aircraft something like a "smart", reusable LGB itself. The laser spot tracker was often ganged with a "laser rangefinder".


* The current "third generation" of targeting pods consolidates many of the functions provided by various different earlier pods. A modern targeting pod might contain the following elements:

* A FLIR with multiple FOVs for targeting. A second fixed FLIR with a wide FOV might also be used for navigation, but a single FLIR could be used for targeting, and then set to a wide-angle mode and fixed forward for navigation.
* A solid state "charge-coupled device (CCD)" visible-light camera, also with multiple FOVs.
* A laser target designator, possibly along with a laser spot tracker and laser rangefinder. It appears that these functions may be combined using the same subsystems, though details are unclear.
* Miscellaneous items, such as a recorder, a GPS-INS navigation system, or terrain-following radar.

Although air forces focused on low-level strike for decades, improved air defenses have now made this dangerous. Modern targeting pods are designed to pinpoint targets from long range, using high-magnification FLIRs or CCD cameras on stabilized mounts to keep the target in the crosshairs. Another feature being implemented in modern targeting pods is GPS-INS capability, with the WSO able to download the GPS coordinates of a target obtained by the pod into a weapon before launch.


* Integral aircraft multimode radars have been used for strike targeting for decades, with modern systems often including a "synthetic aperture radar / moving target indicator (SAR/MTI)" mode that can not only provide a radar image of a target area but also identify targets that are moving on the ground faster than a specified velocity.


Traditionally, SAR/MTI could be used to pinpoint a target but not actually guide a weapon to it, as does a targeting pod. The development of GPS-guided weapons now gives the capability of pinpointing a target, obtaining its GPS coordinates, and downloading the coordinates into a GPS-guided weapon just before weapons drop. This doesn't necessarily replace a targeting pod, but it provides a useful all-weather attack capability.


SAR/MTI can also be used along with a laser targeting pod through aircraft systems integration, with the SAR/MTI cueing the pod on a target, and the pod then conducting the attack. The ultimate goal of such systems integration effort is a seamless integration of all sensors and targeting systems on the aircraft, with "sensor fusion" being performed to give the pilot a straightforward unified display of the battle area. Not very surprisingly, this has proven to be a tough job, requiring very sophisticated software.
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[12.2] ALD / PAVE KNIFE / TRIM / LRMTS & PAVE PENNY

* As mentioned briefly in an earlier chapter, the ancestor of laser modern laser targeting pods was the "AN/AVQ-9/9A Paveway Airborne Laser Designator" (ALD)", which was developed by Martin Marietta for the early Paveway LGBs. ALD was not a pod. It was clipped inside the cockpit of an F-4 Phantom, and the WSO used a telescopic sight ganged to a laser to perform target designation. The fact that the ALD had to be sighted out of one side of the F-4 made it difficult or impossible for an ALD-equipped Phantom to launch an LGB and designate it as well, so the ALD was strictly used for "buddy" designating for other strike aircraft. The scheme worked well in any case, and laser designation became known as "Zotting", after the anteater named "Zot" in the BC comic strip who nailed ants with his long and lethally accurate tongue.


Air Force veterans say that a Fairchild C-119 "Boxcar" cargo transport was also configured as a flying target designator platform, but the literature says little about it and it may have been an early operational test system.


* ALD led to the first laser-designation targeting pod, the Ford Aerospace "AN/AVG-10 Pave Knife", which was a 550 kilogram (1,200 pound) banana-shaped pod that could be carried on an F-4 or A-6 Intruder strike aircraft. The weapons operator watched the image using a small Sony TV fitted into the cockpit, and steered the TV camera and laser with a hand controller. The pod could be given initial target lock through the strike aircraft's gunsight. Pave Knife was a great improvement over ALD, in particular providing a self-designation capability.


A laser pod was also developed for the Rockwell OV-10A Bronco in the early 1970s, with the laser integrated into an electronics system named "Pave Spot" and the entire aircraft designated "Pave Nail". The Bronco was too small to carry LGBs on its own, but as a spotter aircraft it could designate targets for strike aircraft.


* The US Navy also got into the targeting pod business, though through a more indirect path. In 1967, they introduced into combat a sensor system designated "Trails-Roads Interdiction Multisensor (TRIM)". TRIM was intended to observe enemy movements on the ground in night or bad weather, and originally carried only low-light TV and FLIR.

TRIM was originally fitted to Lockheed AP-2H Neptune aircraft and later A-6 Intruders, where it was integrated with the A-6's digital navigation-attack system. In 1972, TRIM was modified with an updated FLIR, and the TV system was replaced with a laser designator. The TRIM target designator was used for buddy LGB designation. For reasons that are unclear, it could not be used for self-designation.

* Several strike aircraft of this era were also fitted with laser spot trackers. For example, the Harrier GR.3 "jump jet" was fitted with an extended "Snoopy nose" that carried a Ferranti "Laser Ranger & Marked Target Seeker (LRMTS)", which as its name implied also carried a laser rangefinder. The Ferranti LRMTS was also fitted to some versions of the Swedish SAAB 35 Draken fighter supplied to Denmark.



The USAF A-10 Warthog close-support aircraft is fitted with a laser spot tracker in the form of its "Pave Penny" pod, which is mounted on a pylon below the cockpit. The Pave Penny pod does not have a laser rangefinding capability.
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[12.2] PAVE SPIKE / PAVE TACK / TRAM / IRADS / ETC

* One of the first targeting pods in widespread use was the Westinghouse "AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike". The US obtained 156 of them for their F-4 Phantoms between 1974 and 1979. Pave Spike was a great improvement over Pave Knife, since it was smaller and lighter, and introduced the horizon natural capability. Pave Spike's laser also could be used for rangefinding, feeding target coordinates into the F-4's weapons control computers for more precise targeting of "dumb" bombs.
A handful of simplified versions of Pave Spike, designated "AN/AVQ-23E", were provided to the British Royal Air Force for their Buccaneer strike aircraft. They would prove their worth for the RAF in the Gulf War, "spiking" laser guided bombs into targets with extreme accuracy.


Pave Knife led to another large laser targeting pod, the "AN/AVQ-26 Pave Tack", which included a laser and FLIR, plus a videotape recorder for post-strike damage intelligence. Pave Tack was originally used on F-4 Phantoms and then carried by the General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark. Pave Tack was first used by the F-111s during the airstrikes against Libya in 1986, OPERATION EL DORADO CANYON, and was later used with very great success by F-111s during the Gulf War for "tank plinking".




The above right picture is taken from the CNN Footage; And this footage definitely shows that this aircraft has some non standard equipment attached to its fuselage. It is off centered on the fuselage, between the engines. It casts its own shadows like the engines do, as well as having its own reflections, as the engines do. It is therefore neither a shadow, or a reflection, as shadows do not cast shadows, and reflections do not cast reflections of themselves. To see some slow motion clips of this footage above, click on one of the two Video links below;

* CNN - Slow
* CNN - Slower

* The US Navy also improved its laser designation systems. By 1978, TRIM had led to a second-generation system fitted to Grumman A-6E Intruder carrier-based strike aircraft, with the designation "AN/AAS-33 Target Recognition and Attack Multisensor (TRAM)".


TRAM was not a pod. It was built into the A-6E, and was only visible as a small "thimble" turret under the nose of the aircraft that contained a FLIR and laser. TRAM was integrated into the A-6E's weapons control system and could also be used as a laser rangefinder for delivery of "dumb" bombs. Like Pave Tack, it included a videotape recorder.


TRAM was first used by A-6Es participating in OPERATION EL DORADO CANYON, and also saw extensive use in the Gulf War. In both cases, the A-6Es were mostly armed with "dumb" bombs and used TRAM as a rangefinding aid, with considerable success.






A FLIR-laser designator turret very similar to TRAM was built into the Rockwell OV-10D Bronco "Night Observation Gun Ship (NOGS)", with a new and improved turret implemented for the next generation OV-10D+.


The Lockheed-Martin F-117 Nighthawk stealth strike fighter has this functionality built into it from the ground up, with the system designated "Infra-Red Acquisition & Designation System (IRADS)". IRADS consists of a laser turret under the nose and a FLIR on top of the nose. Both devices are hidden in wells that are covered by a screen to keep the aircraft "stealthy".


* Traditionally, Soviet-Russian aircraft have featured built-in targeting systems, such as the "Klyon PS" carried by some variants of the Sukhoi Su-22 Fitter, Su-25 Frog, and Mikoyan MiG-27. This is a very unusual target designator by Western standards, since the laser isn't mounted in a turret and the pilot doesn't have either a TV display or a hand controller. It was so different, in fact, that there was a tendency at first to believe that it was a laser rangefinder or spot tracker and that reports that it was a target designator were in error. It simply didn't seem to have any of the pieces.


The laser shines through a forward window and has a limited range of travel, 12 degrees to either side, 6 degrees up and 30 degrees down. The pilot lines up the target initially in his sight, and once the is locked the laser stays locked automatically on the target under control of the aircraft's flight navigation systems.


The Klyon PS would seem to have some disadvantages. The pilot can't turn completely away from the target after release, leaving the aircraft more exposed to ground fire than an aircraft with a targeting pod. In addition, although the scheme would clearly be workable for a laser-guided missile, it is unclear how effective it would be for guiding laser-guided bombs, which being unpowered tend to lag the release aircraft. It could certainly be used to buddy-designate an LGB for another aircraft.
The Klyon PS is actually reported to be an effective targeting system, and the primary reason for this scheme was apparently less any technical obstacle than a desire for operational simplicity. It is uncomplicated to use, an important consideration in the single-seat daylight strike aircraft that carry it. A pilot would be hard-pressed to maneuver an aircraft while keeping a target lined up in the crosshairs of a display using a joystick while doing so. The F-117 Nighthawk can do this trick, but that aircraft is designed to make straight-in attacks at night, when it is almost completely invisible in most respects and has little need for evasive maneuvers, with the machine on autopilot while the pilot guides the bomb.


It is unlikely that mounting a TV camera and a laser in a turret was any great technical challenge to Soviet engineers, and apparently an external targeting pod was developed in the 1970s. It was followed by a relatively sophisticated built-in target designator, the "Kayra", that has been used on two-seat aircraft such as the Sukhoi Su-24M and Su-27K Flanker. The Russians have more recently introduced a new targeting pod for the Su-27, named the "UOMP Sapsan", with a FLIR and laser designator.
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[12.3] LANTIRN / NITE HAWK & ETC

* Probably the best-known targeting pod, or rather targeting pod system, is the Martin-Marietta (now Lockheed Martin) "Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting, Infrared, for Night (LANTIRN)". LANTIRN is actually a pair of pods:

* The "AN/AAQ-13" navigation pod, which includes FLIR and radar for terrain following and mapping, plus support computing and other electronics.
* The "AN/AAQ-14" targeting pod, with FLIR and a laser designator. A variant of this pod is sold for export under the name "Sharpshooter".

LANTIRN is carried by the F-15E Strike Eagle and the F-16C/D Viper. It was first used in the Gulf War in an operational test capacity. It is in service with at least ten nations. LANTIRN was adapted to the now-retired F-14D "Bombcat" strike fighter. The Bombcat only carried the targeting pod, but the pod was updated with a GPS-INS navigation system.




Lockheed Martin is also providing LANTIRN upgrades that add technology developed for their next-generation "Sniper" pod, discussed in the next section, and more specialized kit, under the designation of "Enhanced LANTIRN" or "LANTIRN 2000". The updates are tailored to customer need. The Danish Air Force has updated their LANTIRNs with the CCD camera, high altitude laser target designator and rangefinder, and the laser spot tracker from the Sniper. The Netherlands Air Force has obtained 20 LANTIRNs with the CCD camera and high-altitude laser designator and rangefinder.

The US Navy is updating the laser target designators of their existing LANTIRN pods, and the Air Force is likely to follow, since they have a replacement part supply problem with their existing lasers. The USAF is planning to update the LANTIRN targeting pod with a radiometer sensor and a digital recording system to provide post-strike damage intelligence. The radiometer sensor, which will take measurements in two infrared bands, is essentially a "light meter" that will help determine the effectiveness of weapons impact on a target.


* The US Navy fielded a somewhat confusing set of pods for their F/A-18C/D fighters in the 1980s. The McDonnell Douglas "AN/ASQ-173" carried a laser spot tracker, apparently like that used in the A-10's Pave Penny pod, and a strike camera, while the Hughes "AN/AAR-50" pod provided a navigation FLIR.


The most sophisticated pod was the "AN/AAS-38 Nite Hawk", where "Nite" stood for "Navigation IR Targeting Equipment". The initial AN/AAS-38 included a targeting FLIR with 4x magnification, plus a laser rangefinder. The "AN/AAS-38A" added a laser target designator, and the "AN/AAS-38B" added a laser spot tracker, eliminating the need for the AN/ASQ-173 pod.
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[12.4] SNIPER / ISRAELI LITENING / ATFLIR / ATP

* As mentioned above, in the mid-1990s, Lockheed Martin developed a targeting pod named "Sniper" as a follow-on to LANTIRN. Sniper includes a set of updated and new electronic systems:

* An updated diode-pumped laser target designator with greater reliability. Arcing problems prevent the LANTIRN laser from being operated at altitudes greater than 7,600 meters (25,000 feet), but the Sniper laser can be operated at up to 12,200 meters (40,000 feet). The pilot can select an eye-safe alternate laser for training scenarios.
* A third-generation FLIR imager with greater resolution, sensitivity, and reliability than the FLIR imager used on LANTIRN. The FLIR is built around a 640 x 512 pixel solid-state infrared array and has three FOVs: wide (3.6 x 3.6 degrees), narrow (1 x 1 degree), and digitally expanded (0.5 x 0.5 degree). It also has a 4x continuous zoom, "continuous" in this sense meaning that it can take on any zoom value from 1 to 4 instead of discrete steps of, say, 1, 2, 3, or 4.
* Improved stabilization systems, also required for high-altitude release to make sure the crosshairs can be kept on the distant target.
* An up-to-date computer system.
* A laser spot tracker and a night vision goggle (NVG) compatible laser marker.
* An automatic target recognition system.
* A 659 x 494 pixel CCD TV imager with two fields of view and 4x continuous zoom.

The long-range capabilities of the Sniper are so impressive that it outranges traditional short-wing LGBs. At 175 kilograms (387 pounds), Sniper is smaller than the 257 kilogram (567 pound) LANTIRN AN/AAQ-14 targeting pod. Sniper has a distinctive wedge-shaped nose with a synthetic sapphire window assembly. The wedge shape provides better aerodynamics when mounted near a fighter's engine inlet, and is less observable to radar. The sapphire windows are much more resistant to scratching or cracking, capable of surviving intact when struck by a rock at a few hundred KPH. Sapphire is also highly transparent in the visible and infrared light ranges.





Sniper has a modular design with half the parts count of the AN/AAQ-14. It is designed to be easily maintained, does not require specialized tools for disassembly, and has a "self boresighting" system to ensure alignment of the targeting laser and the sensor systems. Sniper is being sold on the export market under the name "Pantera". Sniper subsystems are also being rearranged and incorporated into the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, as well as in the "AN/AAQ-30 Hawkeye Target Sight System (TSS)" for the US Marines' AH-1Z Cobra helicopter gunship.


* Rafael of Israel has developed a targeting pod known as "Litening", beginning work on the program in the mid-1980s and introducing the pod in 1993. The Litening pod is sold by Northrop Grumman in the US.
The Litening II, which initially entered service with Israel in 1997, is a compact unit, with a length of 2.21 meters (7 feet 4 inches), a diameter of 40.6 centimeters (3 feet 5 inches), and a weight of 200 kilograms (440 pounds). It includes:

* A third-generation FLIR with three levels of zoom.
* Two optical CCD imagers, one with a narrow field of view and the other with a wide field of view.
* A laser spot tracker.
* A laser target designator and rangefinder, capable of operating at 12,200 meters (40,000 feet). The laser is designed so that its target-marking "spot" is visible to anyone wearing night-vision goggles, and so another strike aircraft does not need a laser spot tracker to home in on the target.
* INS subsystems for image stabilization and boresighting to the aircraft.
* A self-contained environmental control unit.

The new "Litening ER (Extended Range)" variant is similar to the Litening II, except for a FLIR with twice the resolution. A newer version designated the "Litening AT (Advanced Targeting)" was introduced in 2003 and featured further increased resolution, improved targeting accuracy, compatibility with GPS guided munitions, and multitarget cueing. Rafael has mentioned that they are also developing an emitter-location system for the Litening that will allow it to target GPS jammers for destruction.
Foreign customer for the Litening include:

* Germany, for use on the Tornado;
* Greece, for McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom strike aircraft.
* India, for use on the Mig-27, Jaguar, and Mirage 2000.
* Romania has apparently integrated the Litening II with their MiG-21 Lancer fighter upgrade.
* Spain, with 25 ordered for the Spanish Air Force's F/A-18C/D Hornets.
* The US Air Force, for Reserve and Air National Guard F-16s, which lacked a targeting capability. The USAF wanted to buy off-the-shelf targeting pods to provide such a capability, and Northrop Grumman has supplied over a hundred Litening IIs and Litening ATs, with initial deliveries in 1998.
* The US Marine Corps, for use with their Harrier II jump-jet strike aircraft (Litening ER pods) and F/A-18 fighters (Litening AT) pods, with 120 obtained as of 2005. The Italians leveraged off the evaluation for the Harrier II and bought four pods for their Harrier IIs, while the Spanish Navy bought two for their jump-jets. The other user of the Harrier II, the British, apparently have been interested in acquiring Litening II pods but haven't done so yet.
* Venezuala, for use on the F-16.

Sweden has also evaluated the Litening II for the SAAB 39 Gripen fighter and selected it as the standard pod for export Gripens. Chile is believed to have obtained the pod for its Northrop F-5s.


US Litening pods have seen combat action. USAF Reserve pilots used the pod, which is mounted under the right side of the F-16's engine inlet, to locate and attack Iraqi air-defense elements during actions over Iraq in May and June 2000. The pod also served during the US intervention in Afghanistan in 2001:2002.


The Litening II proved more useful for daylight missions than the older LANTIRN pod, which does not have an optical imager. F-16 pilots using Litening II pods could search an area with the wide-field imager, and then zoom in on a target with the narrow-field imager. The Reserve found the new pods extremely reliable in field operations, with about twice the mean time between failure (MTBF) of the older LANTIRN pods.


Litening-ER pods used on USMC Harriers provided excellent service during the US invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003, being used for reconnaissance as well as targeting,


* Raytheon has developed new targeting pod, the "AN/ASQ-228 Advanced Technology FLIR (ATFLIR)", to replace the Nite Hawk pod on the Hornet and the new F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighters. ATFLIR includes a much more capable FLIR than the Nite Hawk, providing greater stability, resolution, and 30x magnification; improved laser rangefinder and target designator; a CCD TV camera for daylight targeting; and a high-rate datalink system.
ATFLIR is regarded as having from three to five times more range than the Nite Hawk. It can also provide GPS coordinates for GPS-guided bombs, and the Navy plans to add air-to-air modes later. Testing was completed in 2003 and the pod is now in production. The Navy hopes to obtain 574 ATFLIRS in all.


* The USAF conducted an "Advanced Technology Pod (ATP)" competition to replace LANTIRN, with an order of 522 pods for F-16s and F-15Es to go to the winner. Lockheed Martin's Sniper pod won the competition in August 2001, with initial deliveries in 2003. During fighting with Iraqi insurgents after the occupation of that country, the Air Force found that the Litening AT and Sniper XR pods were a very valuable asset. They not only supported precision attacks on ground targets, but provided an extremely useful surveillance and reconnaissance capability to help keep an eye on what was going on down on the ground. The USAF believes the Sniper XR will be the last external targeting pod obtained by the service, since aircraft in the procurement pipeline have built-in targeting systems.

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[12.5] FRENCH ATLIS, PDLCT, DAMOCLES / BRITISH TIALD

* The first French targeting pod was the "Automatic Tracking and Laser Integration System (ATLIS)", which was built by Thomson-CSF using subsystems supplied by Martin Marietta. ATLIS began tests in 1976:77, and entered production as the smaller and lighter ATLIS II in 1980, with the SEPECAT Jaguar as the initial carrier aircraft.

ATLIS consists of a TV system with a boresighted laser. Since ATLIS is carried by single-seat strike aircraft Jaguars, it has an interesting automatic target lock capability, allowing the pilot to launch a weapon and then go back to flying the aircraft. Once the pilot gets the target in the crosshairs and then launches the weapon, ATLIS automatically keeps the laser beam locked on the target without further operator intervention, using some type of pattern-matching or edge-detection techniques. An INS keeps the laser on target even if clouds disrupt the pattern while the weapon is on the way to the target.

ATLIS is mounted on French attack aircraft such as Mirage F1, and Mirage 2000, and was mounted on the now-retired Jaguar. The most familiar laser-designated store for these aircraft is the AS-30L laser-guided ASM, though French SAMP LGBs can be also be designated. The Iraqis even used ATLIS on the Mirage F1 to designate for Soviet-Russian Kh-29L (AS-14 Kedge) ASMs. Interestingly, the ATLIS targeting pod has been used with Pakistani F-16s for use with the AS-30L and other laser-guided munitions, and ATLIS has been used with Thai F-16s as well.


* The French have developed a more advanced targeting pod, the Thomson-CSF "Pod de Designation Laser a Camera Thermique (PDLCT / Laser Designation Pod With Infrared Camera)". As its name suggests, it provides both television and thermal infrared target imaging and laser designation. It is used on Armee de l'Air Mirage 2000s.

Thales (as Thomson-CSF has been renamed) has also introduced their third-generation targeting pod, known as the "Damocles". It includes the latest FLIR technology, providing higher resolution and sensitivity; improved laser target designator and rangefinder; and two viewing modes, including a wide-angle mode of 4 x 3 degrees and a narrow viewing mode of 1 x 0.5 degrees. It does not appear to have a TV camera.


Damocles is designed to be more rugged and easier to maintain than its predecessors. It is now going into service with French Mirage 2000s, Super Etendard, and the new Dassault Rafale. Thales is also promoting an export version, the "Shehab".

* The British developed a targeting pod, the GEC-Marconi "Thermal Imaging Airborne Laser Designator (TIALD)", for use with RAF Tornado strike aircraft. TIALD was combat-tested in prototype form during the Gulf War and produced in small numbers. It contains a television imager, a FLIR imager, and a laser all operating through common optics in a rotating-swiveling head.


TIALD has a number of interesting operating modes. At long range, it can be slaved to the Tornado's air-to-ground radar to lock onto the target, and then the weapons operator can choose between a wide or narrow field of view image. The narrow field mode has 2X and 4X magnification capability. TIALD has "auto-tracking" capabilities to keep the laser beam locked on a designated target, and also contains a profile in ROM to allow it to recognize when the laser is being blocked by parts of the carrier aircraft.
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Spoiler:
It is interesting to note, that while we can't be for certain exactly what this extra additional equipment is, apart from a formal criminal investigation, there are other aircraft which have similar configurations as the one seen in the above pictures and video. But they are not civilian airliners. They are Military planes. Below is a picture of an E8-C with a J-Stars attached to its fuselage.





It is obvious after a closer look at all the news networks own footage from the day, that there is an extra piece of hardware, which has been added onto the fuselage, and which doesn't belong. It can also be assumed that whomever placed this there would have wanted to camoflage it as good as possible. Thus the pod has been placed over the wing root, off centered on the right hand side, just forward of the gear well door, to help avoid detection. Now as we go into further study of all the strange feats of the aircraft prior to impact, I would like to point out here that this alone is enough to warrant a complete investigation into 911 and what really happened. As we previously stated, there is no chance that a plane with such a large extra piece of equipment mounted to its fuselage, could ever have taken off from Bostons Logan International that morning.

Thus we have a problem. This couldn't be Flight 175. And it certainly doesn't take an expert to come to this conclusion, as it is in plain sight. The questions that this raises are manifold. Where did Flight 175 really end up, if not at the 2nd World Trade Center? And where did this extra plane, with all this extra military type hardware come from? I would love to supply you with the answers to those questions, but the simple truth is, I don't know what happened to Flight 175, or the people. And no matter how hard we dig, we probably can never know, apart from a formal investigation, which starts with arrests and indictments, and ends with answers.

The people who committed this horrible tragedy are still in power, and it is certain they cannot be trusted with the reigns of power while they be investigated. The evidence presented thus far is enough to send the entire administration, and all their respective Cabinet members to Guantanamo for 1000 lifetimes. And we have barely scratched the surface of this terrible days events. There is no way George Tenet and all senior CIA Staff didn't know about this 'look-a-like' flight 175. The same applies with all Federal agencies, as well as the entire Bush Cabinet.

And it is obvious by now, after having only just begun, that 19 Arabs with Box - Cutters, had nothing to do with this pod on the bottom of the aircraft. And we can safely rule out this being a civilian airliner. Thus we are stuck with this being some sort of U.S. Military plane, by process of elimination. Since it is on a 'Suicide Mission' we can be certain it is a Military drone, most likely a radio controlled plane, with several layers of redundant systems for pinpoint guidance insurance. What type of aircraft it is, really isn't that important, although it would be nice to know, so as to be one step closer to getting all the criminals who did this. What is important, is these manifold evidences prove beyond a doubt, that this plane couldn't have been Flight 175.

Now as we continue with the odyssey of Flight 175 you will be exposed to all of the other feats of this famed flight. Before impact, a large laser light spot appears from nowhere onto the left side of the World Trade Center, and as the plane gets closer, the laser light moves across the building about 70% across, and then the plane hits just beneath it. It then dances onto the fireball, then onto a buildings face more than a mile away in an instant!

E-8C JOINT STARS




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• E-8C JOINT STARS

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Mission
The E-8C Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System, or Joint STARS, is an airborne battle management, command and control, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance platform. Its primary mission is to provide theater ground and air commanders with ground surveillance to support attack operations and targeting that contributes to the delay, disruption and destruction of enemy forces.

Features
The E-8C is a modified Boeing 707-300 series commercial airframe extensively remanufactured and modified with the radar, communications, operations and control subsystems required to perform its operational mission. The most prominent external feature is the 27-foot (8 meters) long, canoe-shaped radome under the forward fuselage that houses the 24-foot (7.3 meters) long, side-looking phased array antenna.

The radar and computer subsystems on the E-8C can gather and display detailed battlefield information on ground forces. The information is relayed in near-real time to the Army and Marine Corps common ground stations and to other ground command, control, communications, computers and intelligence, or C4I, nodes.

The antenna can be tilted to either side of the aircraft where it can develop a 120-degree field of view covering nearly 19,305 square miles (50,000 square kilometers) and is capable of detecting targets at more than 250 kilometers (more than 820,000 feet). The radar also has some limited capability to detect helicopters, rotating antennas and low, slow-moving fixed wing aircraft.

As a battle management and command and control asset, the E-8C can support the full spectrum of roles and missions from peacekeeping operations to major theater war.

Background
Joint STARS evolved from Army and Air Force programs to develop, detect, locate and attack enemy armor at ranges beyond the forward area of troops. The first two developmental aircraft deployed in 1991 to Operation Desert Storm and also supported Operation Joint Endeavor in December 1995.

Joint STARS supported NATO troops over Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1996, Operation Allied Force from February to June 1999, and Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003.

The 116th Air Control Wing is America's first "Total Force" wing. The former 93rd Air Control Wing, an active-duty Air Combat Command unit, and 116th Bomb Wing, a Georgia Air National Guard unit, were deactivated Oct.1, 2002. The 116th Air Control Wing was activated blending Guard and active-duty Airmen into a single unit.

The 116th ACW is the only unit that operates the E-8C and the Joint STARS mission. The 17th and final E-8C aircraft was delivered on March 23, 2005.

General Characteristics:
Primary Function: Airborne battle management
Contractor: Northrop Grumman Corp. (primary)
Power Plant: Four Pratt and Whitney TF33-102C
Thrust: 19,200 pounds each engine
Wingspan: 145 feet, 9 inches (44.4 meters)
Length: 152 feet, 11 inches (46.6 meters)
Height: 42 feet 6 inches (13 meters)
Weight: 171,000 pounds (77,564 kilograms)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 336,000 pounds (152,409 kilograms)
Fuel Capacity: 155,000 (70,306 kilograms)
Payload: electronic equipment and crew
Speed: 449 - 587 miles per hour (optimum orbit speed) or Mach 0.52 - 0.65 (390 - 510 knots)
Range: 9 hours
Ceiling: 42,000 feet (12,802 meters)
Crew: (flight crew), four; (mission crew) normally 15 Air Force and three Army specialists
Unit Cost: $244.4 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars)
Initial operating capability: December 1997
Inventory: Total Force wing, 17; Reserve, 0

Point of Contact
Air Combat Command, Public Affairs Office; 130 Andrews St., Suite 202; Langley AFB, VA 23665-1987; DSN 574-5007 or

e-mail: accpa.operations@langley.af.mil

September 2007




Story Credits: Jack - Locutus, Henrik Melvang, Phil Jayhan, Rob Rice

Story Research & Support: Hdhntr, Locutus, HiddenAgenda, The_Editor

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9/11 LINKS INDEX - Victim Fraud, Media Fraud
Radio Shows - Jim Fetzer & The Real Deal:

* PART 1: Jim Fetzer, Phil Jayhan & Larry McWilliams on the Hollow Towers & Missing Contents of WTC
* PART 2: Jim Fetzer, Larry McWilliams & Phil Jayhan - The Hollow Towers & Fake Victims of 911

Death Certificate #0001:

* The Strange Story of Father Mychal Judge: Death Certificate # 0001 on 9/11

The Hollow Towers & Pre-Demolition of WTC:

* The Hollow WTC Towers & the Pre-Demolition of the World Trade Center:
* Radio Show MP3 on the Hollow Towers & Missing Contents of WTC
* Why are all the Lights off throughout the WTC on 9/11?

Flight 11 Frauds:

* 9/11 Passenger Mystery Unraveling? Is Mike Rivero, John Wenckus of Flight 11?
* Ex Disney Executive - Carolyn Mayer-Beug; Passenger on Flight 11? Or 9/11 Planner?
* 911 Actors? Flight 11 & 175: The Strange Tale of Ruth McCourt & Paige Hackel -
* Passenger Fl# 11: Sonia Morales Puopolo's - Clinton/Kerry Tied to 9/11 thru Sonia
* ISRAELI SPECIAL FORCES: Daniel Lewin - Alleged 9/11 Passenger - Obit Created 9.11.01?
* Passenger Flight 11 -Laura Lee Morabito- Another Super Wedding Ring Story
* 9/11 Conspirator? Was Ari Fleischers picture used for a Passenger of Fl# 11?
* Fl# 11 Passenger - Judith Camilla Larocque Frankel - Member of CFR

Flight 175 Frauds:

* Video Fakery "Ringer" Among the Passengers: Douglas A. Gowell
* 911 Actors? Flight 11 & 175: The Strange Tale of Ruth McCourt & Paige Hackel -
* Triplets Separated at Birth - Edward H. Luckett, Carlton Bartels, Michael Tarrou

Flight 77 Frauds:

* BARBARA OLSON - 9/11 FRAUD? Is Lady Booth Really Barbara Olson with Plastic Surgery?

Flight 93 Frauds:

* Mark Bingham - Exif/IPTC Data 8/30/2001 - 13 Days before 9/11!

The 911 Jumper Frauds:

* Did Gelitin the B thing Create the 9/11 Jumper Fraud? Pre 911 Intrigue - Gelatin - The B-Thing
* 9/11 Jumpers Video's - Observations & Critical Thinking
* WARNING: GRAPHIC DISTURBING IMAGE - Can anyone Identify this 9/11 Jumper?
* 9/11 Video Guy who filmed the Jumpers - His Testimony
* Edna Cintron, The Waving Woman, 911 Hoax
* Gwendolyn Briley-Strand- Admitted 911 Actor!

North Tower Frauds:

* George Sleigh 911 Survivor, Another Tall Tale from the 91st Floor
* 9/11 Fraud? David H. Rice - Alleged 9/11 WTC Victim - Obit created on 9/11/2001?
* INGEBORG LARIBY: key figure in the simulated 911 victims fraud
* Triplets Separated at Birth - Edward H. Luckett, Carlton Bartels, Michael Tarrou
* Edna Cintron, The Waving Woman, 911 Hoax
* Gwendolyn Briley-Strand- Admitted 911 Actor!

Media Complicity and Fraud:

* NY Times Story Fraud? Writers & Creators of the 911 "Victims Sketches"
* CARMEN TAYLOR & MEDIA COMPLICITY on 9/11
* EXPOSED: The 9/11 Fraud - Tania Head -World Trade Center
* Who Is 911 Families for a Strong and Safe America?
* Digital Computer Recreation of 9/11 WTC Plane Impact

Media 9/11 Memorial Frauds:

* 911 - Disturbing/Photoshopped Victim Picture of the Day
* 9/11 Victims Pictures - Anyone Look Familiar?
* OUR SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 BROTHAS & SISTAS Victims - NY 9-11 Blacks
* Gwendolyn Briley-Strand- Admitted 911 Actor!

The 9/11 Memorial Wall:

* The 9/11 Victims Memorial Wall in New York City - Was it a Ruse?

9/11 & WTC Corporate Fraud:

* The Rand Corporation and Their Report on the Victim's Compensation Fund
* Price Waterhouse Coopers - Were they part of the 911 Plot? Flight 11 & 175 Passengers
* Zim Shipping and the 9/11 connection
* Were Specific Company's at the World Trade Center Targeted On 9/11!
* Cantor Fitzgerald - Triplets Separated at Birth - Edward H. Luckett, Carlton Bartels, Michael Tarrou

Pending Research Requests from Lets Roll Members:

* Has anyone seen a Video of People Exiting the World Trade Center?
* Need some help....Victims from Germany? Where are they?
* Exploring Possibilities for Constructing the Victims--How Many Types Were There?

MISC: Great Research Links on this Material above:

* Who Is 911 Families for a Strong and Safe America?
* Irrefutable 9/11 Video PROOF of WTC Controlled Demolition
* Actors of 9/11 - Can you Spot them?
* Why are all the Lights off throughout the WTC on 9/11?
* The World Trade Center - Amazing Facts & Figures
* 48 Millionaires on the 4 Flights of 9/11 and STILL counting!
* Mike Rivero Links to LetsRoll Forums!
* Funnin at the studios on 911
* Were Specific Company's at the World Trade Center Targeted On 9/11!
* HEROISM AND HORROR - 9/11 Book Excerpts
* Has anyone seen a Video of People Exiting the World Trade Center?
* The World Trade Center Picture History Thread
* Remains of 72 people found at World Trade Center site
* TV Celebrity Face-off - Can you identify this TV personality?
* Question of the Day: Ari Fleischer, Flight 11 & Box Cutters
* Interesting IP's Visiting LetsRollForums.com & LetsRoll911.org
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Old 7 Sep 2004 , 15:10 PM #2
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HO-LY SHIT!!!!

Adding now, to the appropriate place in the Tanker Topic...
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WHOOOOH!! Utterly incredible. I'm speachless. Brilliant work there editor. Truly amazing stuff. That laser spot is unmistakeable.
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Old 7 Sep 2004 , 15:21 PM #4
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ya, isn't it great work HH?

Clean crisp and well, and a fricking "laser"....

We have two more showing the laser that we will eventually have in the Evidence locker. as soon as they get edited and slown down; 3 videos total thus far, with two known sources; Hlava Pavel, and either Camerplanet or MSNBC, whoever it is that shot that footage we saw above, as MSNBC also plays this same laser video, but runs it with the MSNBC logo.

This will be presented along our 'chain of evidence' and for everyone who doesn't notice, in the video the laser beam actually jumps to the right of the plane after impact and ends up on the red fireball, then darts 4-5 blocks to the right and ends up 'painting' that smaller, shorter building in the foreground.

What we have here is a right handed person, aiming a laser targeting rifle at the WTC, when the plane enters the building, he brings his body back and starts to rest the rifle, still ON. This is where the laser ends up on the fireball. He then takes another second or two and takes in his handy work and further rests his rifle, and this is where the laser jumps across 4 blocks or so and ends up on the face of that shorter brown building.

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