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Whites Where here first as per Indian folklore... Sorry 2nd

Post#1 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:04 pm

Sorry Red man Indians.. you are the 2nd Peoples here.
You massed murdered and genocided every single last white person on this continent. Yet you have the audacity to whine about the evul white man.
We at least let you live. You are still here. So please JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. We are sick and tired of hearing it.

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exposing the huge body of evidence that currently exists
proving beyond doubt that mariners from ancient civilizations
in Europe, north Africa and Asia have made a
mark upon American prehistory. Fromthe Phoenicians,
Egyptians, Chinese, Minoans, Vikings, Kelts, Libyans,
Tartessians, Welsh, Irish and Knights Templar, there is
in many instances irrefutable evidence that has been
completely ignored or suppressed by mainstream historians
who refuse to acknowledge the facts. In this issue
we take a different tack, instead focusing on the ancient
Indian lore of just a few of the hundreds of Indian tribes
of North America who have passed down over many
generations a plethora of tales of tall, fair-skinned and
mostly light-haired culture bringers who evidently
dwarfed the American Indians in physical stature.
American Indians who adamantly insist their
Mongoloid ancestors were the first human inhabitants
of the Americas conveniently disregard
one impressive body of evidence that
clearly contradicts this claim: their own oral history.
When the first European colonists penetrated the
interior of North America in the 17th and 18th centuries,
they heard a surprising thing from many of the
tribes they encountered: They weren’t the first white
people to take up residence in these lands. According
to stories handed down by the tribes for generations,
there was amysterious fair-skinned race already inhabiting
the eastern part of the continent when the Indians’
own ancestors arrived on the scene.
Rev. John Heckewelder was a Moravian missionary
who spent years among the Lenni Lenapes (Delawares)
and other tribes of the Eastern U.S. in the late 18th and
early 19th centuries. He learned their language and
earned their trust, and the tribesmen told him much
about their past. He collected this information in a
book published in 1819 entitled An Account of the History,
Manners and Customs of the Indian Nations
Who Once Inhabited Pennsylvania and the Neighboring
States. The following passage is from that work:
The Lenni Lenapes, according to the traditions
handed down to them by their ancestors, resided many
hundreds of years ago in a very distant country in the
western part of the American continent. For some reason,
which I do not find accounted for, they determined
on migrating to the eastward, and accordingly set out in
a body.
After a very long journey, they fell in with the Mengwes
(Iroquois), who had likewise emigrated from a distant
country. Their object was the same with that of the
Delawares: They were proceeding eastward until they
should find a country that pleased them.
Spies the Lenapes had sent forward had discovered
that the country east of the Mississippi [River] was inhabited
by a very powerful nation who had many large
towns, built on the great rivers flowing through their
land. These people (as I was told) called themselves Talligeus
or Tallegewis. . . .
The account continues:
Many wonderful things are told of this famous people.
They are said to have been remarkably tall and stout,
and there is a tradition that there were giants among
them, people of a much larger size than the tallest of the
Lenapes. It is related that they had built regular fortifications
or entrenchments.
When the Lenapes arrived on the banks of the Mississippi,
they sent a message to the Tallegewis to request
permission to settle themselves in the neighborhood. This
was refused, but they obtained leave to pass through the
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country and seek settlement farther east. They accordingly
began to cross, when the Tallegewis, seeing that
their numbers were so very great, and in fact consisted of
many thousands,made a furious attack on those who had
crossed, threatening them all with destruction if they
dared to persist in coming over to their side of the river.
The Mengwes, who had hitherto been satisfied with
being spectators from a distance, offered to join them on
condition that, after conquering the country, they should
be entitled to share it with them. Having thus united their
forces, the Lenapes and Mengwes declared war against
the Tallegewis, and great battles were fought in which
many warriors fell on both sides. The Tallegewis, finding
that their destruction was inevitable if they persisted,
abandoned the country to the conquerors and fled down
the Mississippi River, from whence they never returned.
This story is far from unique. Similar, little-known
American Indian accounts of their ancestors forcibly
evicting members of an earlier white race (usually described
as gigantic individuals) from the land can be
found fromcoast to coast. Despite originating fromdifferent
and in some cases widely separated tribes, these
accounts are mutually supportive and remarkably consistent
Cherokee legend said that when their forefathers
first entered what is now Tennessee, they found a race
of white people already living there. These fair-skinned
people possessed amore sophisticated formof civiliza-
Above are shown the remains of a mysterious stone wall still
standing in Fort Mountain State Park, Ga.
Shawnee Legend Describes
Genocide of White Tribe
In 1912, a Shawnee woman related how
graphic details of the battle at the falls of
the Ohio had been kept alive among her
people ever since in the lyrics of a song:
“When I was a wee bit of a girl, my mother
sang me to sleep with the words of this tune. It
was to the effect that a white people lived here
at the falls—and that they were mighty. A tall
chief with yellow hair ruled over them; and for
ages they fought off the red men and held the
fisheries of the falls and the hunting grounds for
their own. ‘Yellow Hair’ was a giant.
“Our people had long viewed the land from
afar, and they determined to possess it. The
Shawnees said that if the white people would
not submit peacefully to having them for neighbors,
they would slay them and take their possessions.
Yellow Hair and his people were
awakening from sleep and were falling on their
knees in prayer to their Sun god. They were in
this position when my people, yelling, burst
upon them. Many were slain as they knelt. But
Yellow Hair was a great warrior and, though
taken by surprise, he seized his battle axe and
valiantly defended his subjects. Singlehandedly
he slew more than a score of Shawnees. Then,
when he was weary from fighting, a Shawnee
chieftain, Hawk Wing, confronted him.
“Behind Yellow Hair were his wives and children,
and in front of him were Hawk Wing and
his warriors. The two chieftains sprang at each
other with their battle axes. After a terrible encounter,
during which both were covered with
wounds, Yellow Hair sank exhausted, and Hawk
Wing’s battle axe was buried in his brain. Maddened
by the conflict, Hawk Wing turned upon
the women and children and slew them. He and
his men kept up the slaughter until not one of
the whites remained. Every single one of them
had been killed, and the scalplock of Yellow Hair
dangled at the belt of Hawk Wing. Till his death
he kept it, and it was buried with him.”
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tion than the Cherokees. Because these people had
larger, possibly rounder, eyes than the redskins, the latter
called them Moon Eyes. The Moon Eyes were said
to have lived around the headwaters of the Little Tennessee
River, and had a chain of forts that extended
down the Chickamauga Creek. Despite these fortified
positions, the Cherokees succeeded in driving the
Moon Eyes from the territory.
Some people believe at least one of the Moon Eyes’
defensive works mentioned in Cherokee oral history
still exists. Fort Mountain State Park in northwest
Georgia is the site of a mysterious 855-foot-long stone
wall that spans the top of a mountain. Punctuated at
regular intervals with circular holes, the wall has a
maximum height of about seven feet today, but archeologists
think it may originally have stood higher. No
artifacts have been found linking this enigmatic construction
to any known Indian, Old World or colonial
The following account is from a
local history published in Crawford
County, Pennsylvania in 1850:
When first visited by whites
in 1787, in the valley of French
Creek were oldmeadows, destitute
of trees and covered with
tall, wild grass and herbage resembling
the prairies. By whom
these lands were originally
cleared, will probably forever remain amatter of uncertainty.
The Indians alleged that the work had not
been done by them. A tradition among them attributed
it to a larger and more powerful race of inhabitants
who had previously occupied the country.
Mysterious stone towers were found in the
Kanawha Valley ofWest Virginia. Although partially destroyed,
they were clearly round and appear to have
been at least 20 feet tall at one time. They were situated
next to a stone wall that extended for a distance of
seven or eight miles, one of several such walls in this
part of the Mountain State. When early European settlers
asked the local tribes about these structures, the
Indians attributed them to a “race of white warriors”
who their ancestors had forced fromthe area long ago.
One especially bloody clash between Indian and
pre-Indian is said to have occurred along the Ohio
River. Indian legends described a “race of white or
light-skinned people, originally from the east,” who
lived in the Ohio Valley in considerable numbers until
pressed by invading Amerindian tribes. A climactic battle
between the two opposing cultures was said to have
taken place at the falls of the Ohio River near presentday
Louisville, Kentucky. The red men were victorious
and relentlessly pursued the surviving whites (said to
number several hundred) to an island below the falls.
Here the last white people were reportedly all killed.
Lending credence to this Indian account was the fact
that settlers later reported finding large numbers of
human bones on the island.
These may have been the same events referred to
by the noted 19th-century American antiquarian Josiah
Priest in his book American Antiquities and Discoveries
in the West: “In 1800, some Indians of the Sacs
tribe were at St. Louis. [They] . . . said that Kentucky
was . . . filled with the souls of the butchered white inhabitants,
a people who had arts
among them unknown to the Indians.”
Based on such accounts, Priest
concluded: “Those white people
were exterminated by the Indians,
we prove from their tradition,
which relates that the Southern
states, but particularly Kentucky,
had been once settled by white people,
and that they had been exterminated
by war.”
Judging from still other Indian accounts, some surviving
whites driven from their original home in the
Eastern U.S. were apparently forced to move ever
westward by their warlike and more numerous redskinned
In 1825, a former member of the Tuscarora tribe
recorded that his ancestors once battled a powerful nation
of giants they referred to by the name of Ronnongwetowancas.
According to tribal legend, some 800
Tuscarora warriors succeeded in completely wiping
out their larger adversaries.
The Chippewa tribe had a legend that their forefathers
forced a race of white people from what is today
the upper peninsula of Michigan. In neighboring Wisconsin,
there was an Indian tradition about a race of
extremely tall and strong non-Indians who once lived
in a “great lodge” surrounded by high walls. The members
of this alien civilization were said to have differed
“The Choctaws preserve
a dim tradition that,
after migrating east, they
met a race of men who
were tall in stature and
of fair complexion.”
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from Indians in another respect besides size: They had
red and light-colored hair—suggesting they were also
light skinned.
References to a hard-pressed race of “giants” also
turn up in the oral history of the Sioux tribe, who lived
in Minnesota at the time. Sioux storytellers recounted
how their people were attacked by large non-Indians
who came from the east. The Sioux claim to have
bested the invaders in battle and driven the survivors
farther west.
Other Indian tribes inhabiting the country between
the Midwest and Far West also have traditions of once
sharing their territory with a race of non-Indian giants.
The Omahas told of a people they called Pasnutas, who
once resided in the lands of their ancestors. In Kansas,
the oral history of another Plains tribe, the Osage, contained
references to ancient giants their tribe called
Around 1541, a scouting party sent out by Spanish
explorer Francisco Coronado was told by members of
the Hopi tribe: “Several days down the (Colorado)
River there are people with very large bodies.” More
recently, when asked about rock carvings found high
on the face of a cliff in Arizona’s Havasupi Canyon,
local Indians said the artwork was done by “the giants
of long ago.”
According to an 1880 history of Mississippi: “The
Choctaws preserve a dim tradition that, after crossing
the Mississippi River (going east), they met a race of
men they called the Na-hon-lo, tall in stature and of fair
complexion, who had immigrated ‘from the sunrise.’
They had once been a mighty people, but were then
few in number, and soon disappeared after the incoming
of the Choctaws. This race of men were, according
to tradition, tillers of the soil and peaceable.”
Judging from some later observations about one
tribe who came into contact with them, a few Indian
encounters with the non-Indian giants may have been
quite friendly. In 1811, when the males of other tribes
averaged barely 5 1/2 feet in height, a traveler named
John Bradbury made this entry in his journal: “The Osages
are so tall and robust as almost to warrant the application
of the termgigantic. Few of themappear to be
under six feet tall, and many are above it. Their shoulders
and visages are broad, which tends to strengthen
the idea of their being giants.”
President Thomas Jefferson, a keen amateur ethnologist,
described Osage warriors as “gigantic” and cited
one chief who was reportedly seven feet tall and
weighed 300 pounds.
Finally, Indian oral history describes the last stand
of one beleaguered group of non-Indians near Lovelock,
Nevada. Legends of the Paiute tribe, who have
lived in the region for generations, were recorded by
Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins in her 1883 book Life
Among the Paiutes. The daughter of a Paiute chief,
hers is believed to be the first book ever written by an
American Indian woman. In her book, she relates how
her tribe waged a three-year war of attrition against a
nation of non-Indian giants who numbered around
2,000members. The non-Indians were described by her
ancestors as being light skinned with “long faces.”
Many of them were said to have had red hair. Eventually,
the remaining whites were forced to retreat into
Lovelock Cave.
According to Mrs. Hopkins: “My people watched at
the mouth of the cave, and would kill them as they
came out to get food and water. My people gathered
Among the artifacts found by scientists in the Lovelock
Cave in Nevada were woven cloth, tools, inscribed
stones and a cache of extremely well made
duck decoys for hunting (above). The artifacts prove
that an advanced culture predated the Paiute Indians
in the region, but whether their legend of large, redhaired
whites is based on fact remains a mystery.
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wood and began to fill up themouth of the cave. At last,
my people set the wood on fire. In 10 days, my people
went back to see if the fire had gone out. They returned
and told my great-grandfather that they must all be
Hopkins offered somemacabre evidence in support
of her story: “All members of the tribe who were exterminated
had red hair. I have some of their hair which
has been handed down from father to son. I have a
dress which has been in our family a great many years,
trimmed with this reddish hair.”
This all has relevance today. If the great irony and
hypocrisy implicit in these eye-opening revelations
from their oral history were more widely recognized,
it would be harder for some American Indian activists
to stake out the moral high ground and play the victim
card when they make audacious claims of ownership
for vast additional areas of land in this country.
American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West, Josiah Priest, Hoffman
& White (Albany, NY: 1834).
An Account of the History, Manners and Customs of the Indian Nations
Who Once Inhabited Pennsylvania and the Neighboring States, John Heckewelder,
Abraham Small (Philadelphia: 1819).
Ancient American, #36.
New View of the Origins of the Tribes and Nations of America, Benjamin
Smith Barton (1798).
Pursuit, #56.
Sailing to Paradise, Jim Bailey, Simon and Schuster (New York: 1994).
Worlds Before Our Own, Brad Steiger, Berkley Publishing (New York:
Weird America, Jim Brandon, E.P. Dutton (New York: 1978).
PHILIP RIFE is the author of The Pariah Files: 25 Dark Secrets
You’re Not Supposed to Know, Was It Murder?—Surprising Facts
About 22 Famous Deaths, Premature Burials: Famous and Infamous
PeopleWho Cheated Death and Hoodwinked History andmany
more. He has also written a book about the stories of archeological
finds of skeletons of very tall individuals in North and South America
called The Goliath Conspiracy.

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