Title: Holocaust Finally Open for Debate!

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Title: Holocaust Finally Open for Debate!

Post#1 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:55 pm

About F-ing time. The TRUTH is Self Evident. Only LIES need the support of LAWS. And the real HATERS HATE the TRUTH.
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Title: Holocaust Finally Open for Debate!



For those who are interested in the Iranian Conference on the Holocaust, here are some links for your convenience:

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Iran Holocaust conference opens
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6167695.stm


Iran's proud but discreet Jews
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm


Iran hosts Holocaust conference
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/ ... index.html


Tehran rejects Israeli-Arab seeking to prove Shoah
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 72,00.html


Iran's foreign minister: Anti-Semitism exists only in West
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 67,00.html


ADL urges EU to denounce Iran Shoah seminar
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 89,00.html


Iran's president: Shoah now up for debate
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 18,00.html


Iran to rule: Was there a Holocaust?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 01,00.html


Iran: Israel should be moved to Europe
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16149717/


Iran opens conference questioning the Holocaust
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... 531&page=2


Anti-Semites head for Iran to query Holocaust
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... iran10.xml


Iran bars Israeli Arab from Shoah forum
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull


Britons to attend Iran's Holocaust conference
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1964854,00.html


Germany Condemns Iran Holocaust Conference
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/205/story_20591_1.html

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Reuters: Iran's president says Holocaust now up for debate

Post#2 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:56 pm

Reuters: Iran's president says Holocaust now up for debate



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World Updates
December 10, 2006

Iran's president says Holocaust now up for debate

TEHRAN (Reuters) - The Holocaust is now a subject of serious debate,
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Saturday.

Iran has invited scholars from 30 countries to attend a conference
starting on Monday about the Holocaust, in which six million Jews
were killed by the Nazis.

"For 60 years talking about the Holocaust was a crime in the West but
now there is a serious debate about the Holocaust in the media and
also in political and popular meetings," state television quoted
Ahmadinejad as saying.

Ahmadinejad sparked an international outcry by referring to the
Holocaust as a "myth" and saying Israel should be relocated to Europe
or North America.

"Even some Western politicians have declared that the original
foundation of the Zionist regime (Israel) was a mistake," he said on
Saturday.

Ahmadinejad has said his questioning of the Holocaust is aimed at
encouraging scholarly debate and an examination of the reasons behind
the creation of the state of Israel.

Deputy Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mohammadi has said the Holocaust
conference will look at issues such as "whether the gas chambers were
actually used by the Nazis".

The conference has been condemned by various countries and
organisations. U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack
described it as "disgraceful."

"It is just flabbergasting that ... the leadership of the regime
continues to deny that 6 million plus people were killed in the
Holocaust," he told reporters on Friday.

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the British Holocaust Educational
Trust, called the Iranian conference "ridiculous".

"Denial of the Holocaust is a virulent form of anti-semitism," she
said in a statement. "It is not only deeply offensive to Holocaust
survivors but to any right-minded human being."

Iran was also sharply criticised for hosting a cartoon competition on
the Holocaust this year.



Copyright © 2006 Reuters

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Rabbi Friedman cautions against strategic abuse of Holocau

Post#3 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:56 pm

He prabably is starting to feel like the JIG is up.
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Rabbi Friedman cautions against strategic abuse of Holocaust


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Rabbi Friedman cautions against strategic abuse of Holocaust
Iran-Israel, Politics, 12/9/2006

Austrian rabbi and chief of the Orthodox Anti-Zionist society of
Austria, Moshe Aryeh Friedman, yesterday cautioned against strategic
abuse of the historic event of Holocaust.

Speaking to IRNA yesterday before departing for Tehran, Iran, to
attend Holocaust symposium, Rabbi Friedman said, "As one who has
conducted research on the issue for years, I regrettably notice how
Judaism and fame of our ancestors are abused through distortion of
the historical event." Rabbi Friedman stressed that impartial
scholars and the journalists, who conducted objective research on
Holocaust and its politicization by Zionism, have been named as
criminal and sentenced to several years of prison.

The Jewish figure noted, "We should focus on the reality that the
behind-the-curtain individuals and financial providers as well as
perpetrators of some of the World War II crimes had been Zionists
themselves." Now another Holocaust has taken place, this time
involving Palestinians and Arabs -- something unprecedented in
history, he added.

The Austrian Rabbi also thanked Iran as the best venue for the
conference on the Holocaust because it used to remain neutral during
the World War II and was not involved in the event.

Friedman described Iran as a model country in dealing with and
tolerating religious minorities.

"We have been witnessing that religious minorities either now or in
the past have been holding a very proper and good position in Iran,"
said the rabbi.

The international symposium of "Study of Holocaust, Global
Perspective" is to be held in Tehran from December 11-12, sponsored
by Foreign Ministry's Institute for Political and International
Studies (IPIS).

The Education and Research Department at Foreign Ministry has said
the conference would provide a channel for scientific and free debate
on the issue by related scholars and experts.

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David Duke in Iran: "Has Europe gone crazy?"

Post#4 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:58 pm

GO HERE FIRST and Watch David Duke Spank Wolf Blitzer on CNN;

David Duke on the Holocaust Conference CNN: (DL video)
http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1216

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David Duke in Iran: "Has Europe gone crazy?"

Speech delivered at the Teheran International Convention on the
Holocaust:

[Start]

Distinguished friends,

Thank you Dr. Mohammadi and all the distinguished scholars who are
here at a conference that history shall one day deem as one of the
most important of the 21st century.

I and all the conference participants must be especially thankful to
the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has had the
knowledge, the foresight and the courage to convene this conference
to offer free speech for the world's most repressed idea, Holocaust
revisionism. We must remember that the main themes of this
conference as stated by Iran's President are the vital human right
of freedom of speech and the condemnation of the shameful
imprisonment of European scholars and academics who simply dare to
state their opinions of historical events that occurred over 60 years
ago.

This conference embraces the idea of free speech, thought, and
conscience. The U.S. State Department, under thorough control of
International Zionism, in a formal statement called this conference
a quote, "disgrace." The real disgrace is that free men are
imprisoned and silenced in Europe and in other European-descended
nations around the world. The disgrace is that no leaders of our own
nations seem have the courage to defend free speech.

I also want to thank your President for inviting me, as
controversial as I am, to be here. The Zionist-influenced media lies
about me with the same enthusiasm as they lie about him. He will be
condemned for having me here, and I as a former American elected
official will be condemned by the Zionist influenced press in America
for coming here in peace and friendship to a nation that they hate:
the nation of Iran.

But, we at this conference have decided that no longer will we let
the Zionists dictate to us. They shall not dictate to us who will be
our friends, who will be our enemies, nor will we permit them to
dictate to us only their version of the past, and we will certainly
not let them dictate our future!

Let me say from the outset that I am no disloyal American, I love my
country and my people, but I know that the Zionist extremists lead
my country to catastrophe in the Mideast and elsewhere around the
world. I know that the Palestinian people, the Lebanese people, even
the American people have been sacrificed on the altar of the
Holocaust. It is the chronic media and government playing of the
Holocaust that has blinded our eyes to new holocausts and new
outrages.

As a truly patriotic American I oppose Americans being killed or
maimed by the thousands in Iraq in a war not for America, but for
Israel. I am here because I love my country and oppose those who
lead America and the world to ruin on behalf of Zionism. In Iraq
too, Americans and countless Iraqis have been sacrificed on the
ideological altar of the Holocaust, for the Holocaust and its
chronic recital is used as the justification of any Israeli
treachery or crime against humanity.

The Zionist-influenced media in America and Europe is trying to
mislead the U.S. and Iran toward a war that would be catastrophic
for your country, for my country and for the world. Here too images
of a Holocaust against Jews are used to justify and promote a
terrible war against Iran that would constitute a new Holocaust, one
against the Iranian people and indeed for all of us in the world.

I believe the people of Iran want peace, and I can tell you that the
average American also wants peace. This conference is based on
freedom of speech, true freedom, not the lip service brokered in the
mass media. Freedom of speech will take on the Holocaust. But,
freedom of speech also relies on a free press. Perhaps how little we
can trust the establishment press on the Holocaust is illustrated by
the lies told about your esteemed president.

This morning, I read a story about this conference from a European
newspaper that stated and I quote, that Iran's President, Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad called for wiping Israel off the map. This assertion has
been made in literally thousands of newspaper articles and radio and
TV news reports.

But, all those here know that such a translation of his speech is
nothing but a big lie. He never said anything of the kind. Any
proper translation of his speech shows that he never called for
Israel to be quote, "wiped from the map"! But millions of people in
the West and around the world have heard this so many times they
believe it. Whatever might be the ultimate truth of the Holocaust,
how can we learn it from a press that repeats 5,000 times a lie
about your President that anyone with an Iranian-English dictionary
can disprove in 5 minutes? In short, their ability to sell this
easily disproven lie shows that the media can get away with any lie,
even of the largest proportions. The only way to learn the truth
about any idea is free speech, free discussion, and free debate.

The conference will include academics who embrace the prevalent
historical conception of the Holocaust and those who have a
revisionist view. Revisionists question parts of the official
Holocaust story. In some Western nations, to diverge even slightly
from Holocaust orthodoxy will cause an historian to face not only a
loss of academic career but also imprisonment.

Right now as I speak, three names come to mind immediately. David
Irving, Ernst Zundel, and Germar Rudolf. These three men, scholars,
researchers, intellects who their opponents dare not debate, these
nonviolent, kind and gentle men sit behind dark prison walls at this
very moment for simply daring to speak their conscience, for
expressing the world's most forbidden opinion, the idea that the
historical event trademarked as the Holocaust as it is popularly
presented, is not an accurate historical portrayal, that it needs
like all other events of history to be questioned, researched freely
and constantly revised. Perhaps the hypocrisy is illustrated by
devotion of Europe to freedom for the vilest kinds of pornography.
Every kind of the sickest pornography is allowed in the Western
world today, including pornography that delves into the worst forms
of sadism and masochism and the vilest degradation of women, many of
whom have been drug addicted and truly enslaved in what the world
calls White slavery. Yet, these sickest, evil forms of porn are not
only legal in Europe, they are lucrative! Yet, if you dare to
research and offer a dissenting opinion about any aspect of the
event singularly called the Holocaust, it's off to prison for you,
its bankruptcy for you and your family.

In Europe you can freely question, ridicule, and deny Jesus Christ.
The same is true for the prophet Muhammed, and nothing will happen
to you, heck you might even get to star in your own weekly TV show,
but offer a single question of the smallest part of the Holocaust
and you face prison! David Irving one of the world's most famous and
well-read historians, a writer who many mainstream historians have
praised as brilliant and accurate, at this moment sits in a prison
near Vienna, Austria for simply stating his historical opinion about
Auschwitz in a lecture in Austria in 1989. German researcher/chemist
Gemar Rudolf faces years of imprisonment for simply publishing a
detailed forensic analysis that challenged the authenticity of
alleged Auschwitz gas chambers. Ernst Zundel, a resident of Canada
and the U.S was ripped from his wife and home because he had
politically incorrect opinions about the events of the Second World
War.

I have been honored to know personally all three of these men. They
are kind, witty, humorous, men of family, of kindness and decency.
None of these men were hateful or advocated hate, none were violent
or advocated violence, none of these men were terrorists or
supported terrorists, none of these men did anything other than
express an intellectual opinion at variance with high priests of the
Holocaust. All these men did was have the courage to express their
opinions even though they knew that by doing so everything they held
dear was endangered, their safety, their sustenance, their freedom,
but they chose their conscience and their honor, even at the risk of
life, that their own heart might be stilled forever. They still stood
tall. I am not here to argue the truth or untruth of their claims,
that is for the other speakers here, but I am here to add my voice
from America from free men and women everywhere that the fact that
these men are imprisoned is a scandal and injustice. The whole world
knows that imprisoning men for their opinions is tyranny; that such
is the opposite of everything that we mean by the word freedom. As
some nations of Europe jail men for their opinions, these same
nations boast about their supposed freedom and hold themselves above
many other nations they view as repressive and backward.

Some of the brave men here today at this conference have been
jailed, even physically attacked, lost reputation, freedom,
property, career, simply for speaking their conscience. I see a
number of them as I look in the audience. And none of these men
write or speak hatefully or intemperately, but how can the world
even know that, when they and their beliefs are repressed by
government and media. I want to honor one of the men here for his
sacrifices over the years in his obedience to conscience and to
truth, a man who has laid in a hospital bed with his bones crushed,
his pain-racked body burned by acid, all for doing what his
intellect dictated and his conscious demanded. He is Dr. Robert
Faurisson, and we here and the world owe him a debt that we can never
adequately repay. Lesser men would have given up and lived the quiet
life, but he gave his all and he still gives us his all even now. I
would like to ask you to stand up for him ladies and gentlemen.
Robert Faurrison, the best-known revisionist in the world today.

The main theme of the Holocaust Conference is that there must be
freedom of speech on this subject as on all others. Free speech,
inquiry and debate are the only way to learn the truth on any issue.
In prosecutions of Holocaust questioners, authorities have not
allowed introduction of any evidence supporting the defendant's
claims. The courts have even announced in their guilty verdicts that
"The truth is no defense," i.e. that even if the defendant can be
shown to be honest and accurate, and even if his claims can be
substantiated by physical and documentary evidence, he has broken
the law by simply questioning aspects of the official Holocaust
Story.

I take no hard position on the historical accuracy of the Holocaust,
I leave that to those whose whole lives are devoted to the study of
the issue, but I take an unshakeable position on freedom. Obviously,
Jews, as well as other nationalities suffered great losses during
the Second World War. Repression, dispossession or murder against any
group is wrong. Revisionists don't deny that many Jews died and
suffered greatly in the war, they condemn any and all injustices
done to Jews in that period.

It must also be understood that throughout history, the historical
treatment of atrocities or crimes against humanity have often been
colored by political purposes. Throughout history some crimes
against humanity have been exaggerated and emphasized to justify
political agendas or even war. Other crimes against humanity have
been completely ignored or downplayed.

An example is the contrast between the crimes of National Socialist
Germany and that of Soviet Communism. Most researchers readily
acknowledge that Bolshevism imprisoned, tortured and slaughtered
many times more people in Russia and in Eastern Europe than even the
high numbers alleged in the Holocaust. Yet, the Soviet Holocaust
receives not one-hundredth of the attention of the Jewish Holocaust.
Can anyone here name even a single movie you have seen about the
Bolshevik slaughter? Isn't it sensible to think that this disparity
is because of the strong Jewish influence in Western media from the
entertainment establishment of Hollywood to the news media centered
in New York and across the European world? Revisionists suggest that
an exaggeration and saturation of the Holocaust has been essential
to establishment and support of the Zionist state in Israel and that
it offers a psychological excuse for the large scale ethnic
cleansing, repression, torture and genocide against the Palestinian
people. Revisionists argue that this vested interest of much of the
pro-Zionist media and pro-Zionist governments affords a danger that
the Holocaust can be distorted and politicized just as many
historical crimes against humanity have either been exaggerated or
diminished in pursuit of political agendas. Whether the revisionists
scholars are right or wrong is for you to decide, not those who want
to crush free thought and free speech.

I and every speaker at this conference believe in freedom of speech
on all historical and contemporary issues. We believe in freedom of
speech, conscience, opinion, and expression. It is the opponents of
this conference who clearly don't believe in freedom of speech and
conscience. It is they who have thrown elderly men and women into
prison for years for simply expressing their opinions. Yet, instead
of condemning these tyrants, the media even celebrates the
imprisonment of human beings who dare to question. Dr. Bruno
Gollnisch, a professor of Literature at the University of Lyon, and
a member of the European Parliament was convicted of Holocaust
Denial. Speaking in Lyon, France, in October 2004, Gollnisch said: "I
do not deny the existence of deadly gas chambers. But I'm not a
specialist on this issue, and I think we have to let the historians
debate it." He did not contest the "hundreds of thousands, the
millions of deaths" during the Holocaust, but added: "As to the way
those people died, a debate should take place." For simply
advocating free speech, Gollnisch was convicted of Holocaust Denial.
Has Europe gone crazy? Freedom of speech is important for two
reasons. First, freedom of speech is a vital human right. It is the
cornerstone of all other rights, because without freedom of speech
no one has to the right to even freely know and learn of the
abrogation of other rights affecting human freedom and survival.
That is why the American founding fathers put freedom of speech,
press and religion as the first and highest of the Bill of Rights.
Second, freedom of speech and debate are absolutely vital for the
truth to prevail. If one side of any controversial issue can
suppress the voice of opposition, we cannot arrive at the certainty
of any truth. If academics and citizens can be blackmailed
monetarily and in career; if they can be threatened with firings,
loss of income, or imprisonment for simply sincerely pursuing an
historical inquiry and publishing it, how can the truth be
discovered?

How does one even know the real revisionist opinion, if that opinion
is repressed?

A perfect example of the biased treatment of the Western press is
the recent adoption of the term "Holocaust denier" to slander anyone
who may question any part of the complex and expansive Holocaust
story. The term "Holocaust denier" was created by Simon Wiesenthal
to denote any one who dares to question any part of his version of
the Holocaust. To "deny" is usually associated with an allegation of
a personal crime. For example, "John Doe denies that he committed
the robbery." It has a very negative connotation. It is not commonly
used to denote people holding a contrary historical opinion. In
truth, revisionists are not deniers, they are simply questioners who
are being imprisoned and slandered for simply questioning with
research and reason this tragic period of history during the Second
World War. The Holocaust Conference in Iran is truly about respect
for intellectual freedom. Iran has organized the first international
conference dedicated to freedom of speech and inquiry on this
important historical matter that has so many ramifications on the
Mideast and many other present political realities.

I am here in Tehran as a speaker in this conference because I am
dedicated to freedom of speech, conscience, and thought. I am
honored, as are all of you, to be here at this historic conference.
I urge the fair-minded people of the world, before they condemn this
conference, the Iranian President, all the speakers and me, to ask
the question: who are the patrons of freedom and who are the real
deniers, the deniers of our precious human right of freedom of
speech!

-Dr. David Duke

Former member of the House of Representatives State of Louisiana, United States of America

[END]

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Post#5 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:01 pm

Breitbart barking at the moon

Title: Breitbart barking at the moon

Iran defiant as anger mounts over Holocaust forum / Dec 12, 2006

Iran has pressed on with a controversial Holocaust conference as
international outrage mounted over its hosting of "revisionist"
historians who cast doubt on the mass slaughter of Jews in World War
II.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Tuesday slammed the conference
as "shocking beyond belief", a sentiment echoed by his Israeli
counterpart Ehud Olmert and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

A host of Western "revisionists" who doubt the slaughter of six
million Jews in World War II took place, including a former Ku Klux
Klan leader and a Frenchman given a suspended jail term in October,
have taken part.

Iran said that the aim of the conference was to find answers to
questions about the Holocaust from President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who
has described it as a "myth" and cast doubt on the scale of the
slaughter.

Papers delivered Tuesday by participants from countries ranging from
Austria to Indonesia included "A Challenge to the Official Holocaust
Story", and "Holocaust, the Achilles Heel of a Primordial Jewish
Trojan".

"I think it is such a symbol of sectarianism and hatred towards
people of another religion, I find it just unbelievable," said Blair.
"I found that this conference that they had questioning the Holocaust
is shocking beyond belief.

"If you're going to invite the former head of the Ku Klux Klan to a
conference in Tehran which disputes the millions of people who died
in the Holocaust, then what further evidence do you need to have that
this regime is extreme?" said Blair.

Olmert led a chorus of angry condemnation from the Jewish state over
the two-day meeting which started on Monday.

"The conference in Iran was sickening and shows the depths of the
hatred," Olmert said, calling on the world "to disassociate itself
from Iran and all the participants of the conference".

German Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned "in the strongest terms"
dismissals of the Holocaust by the "revisionist" historians. In its
reaction to the conference, the Vatican described the Holocaust as an
"appalling tragedy to which one cannot remain indifferent."

Some of the most notorious Western figures who have downplayed the
scale of the Holocaust have been attending the event, including
French professor Robert Faurisson and German-born Australian Fredrick
Toeben.

The conference wrapped up in the early afternoon and all of the
participants, who have showered the Iranian president with praise
throughout the meeting, were bussed away for a private meeting with
Ahmadinejad.

In Tehran, an assistant of Toeben, who maintains the existence of gas
chambers is an "outright lie", tried to show his claim using a model
of the Treblinka extermination camp the researcher had brought to the
conference.

"There is no scientific proof to show that this place was an
extermination camp. All that exists are the words of some people,"
said Richard Krege.

He claimed that only 5,000 people died in the camp, of disease. Most
historians believe that at least 800,000 prisoners were murdered in
the camp.

The conference is the latest brush with controversy for the Islamic
republic, which is already facing UN sanctions for failing to agree
to halt sensitive nuclear work.

Historians specialising in the Third Reich, basing their figures on
original Nazi documents, generally believe around six million Jews
were killed in the Holocaust, although some estimates are slightly
lower or higher. Hitler's regime also killed millions of non-Jews.

It is a crime to deny the Holocaust in a dozen European countries,
including Germany and Austria.

Mainstream scholars of the Holocaust meanwhile held a counter
gathering in Berlin on Monday to condemn the conference, entitled
"Study of the Holocaust: A Global Perspective".

US academic Raul Hilberg, the author of "Destruction of the European
Jews", which is widely considered one of the standard texts on the
Holocaust, said he wanted to make "a statement" by attending the
Berlin conference.

The European Jewish Congress "condemned in the strongest terms" the
"negationist and revisionist" conference in Iran attended by Western
figures it described as "pseudo-historians and intellectuals".

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/1 ... 8rs3p.html

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