6-7-6 KT Ordnance getting raided tonight by JBTs

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6-16-6 email from kto

Post#16 » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:14 am

Paul, I have been reading on some the boards about me. Boy do some people have a wild imagination. This is not a reflection on you Paul. This is a rebuttal to someone whose hat is too tight.

Here are some facts to post, in light of what I have been reading.

1) I pay ALL taxes required by law, ALL.
2) Yes I did question paying my property tax in New Hampshire, but I paid it, and I pay it in Montana.
You never asked me, before you had children, if I could afford to school them, did you. But you require me to pay for it, don't you. And If I don't, you call the Sheriff and have me arrested for not paying "my" share of the bill to educate "your" child. 55% of my property tax goes to pay for "your" child to be schooled, and you call yourself a Christian, you steal money from me, to pay for your Childs education.
3) Just because you are ignorant of the law, that does not make me a wacko.
4) I did not break the law, nor do I beleive I did. Most people break the law every day, unknowingly.
5) I do not make or sell full auto anything. True, the AR's do say "AUTO" on them, that does not make them auto.
6) I do not engage in licensed activities.

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US citizens - Understand This!

Post#17 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:28 am

Let's look at what the courts have said about federal citizenship:

"A 'civil right' is considered a right given and protected by law, and a person's enjoyment thereof is regulated entirely by the law that creates it." 82 CA 369. 373, 255, P 760.

"The persons declared to be citizens are:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject..." Elk v. Wilkins, 112 US 94, 101, 102 (1884)

In other words, all federal citizens must be, by their very definition, a person who is "completely subject" to the jurisdiction of the federal government (such as a citizen of Washington DC).

"The privileges and immunities clause of the 14th Amendment protects very few rights because it neither incorporates the Bill of Rights nor protects all rights of individual citizens. (See Slaughter House cases, 83 US (16 Wall.)
36, 21 L. Ed. 394 (1873)).

"Instead this provision protects only those rights peculiar to being a citizen of the federal government; it does not protect those rights which relate to state citizenship." Jones v. Temmer, 839 F. Supp. 1226

"...the first eight amendments have uniformly been held not to be protected from state action by the privilege and immunities clause [of the 14thAmendment]." Hague v. CIO, 307 US 496, 520

"The right to trial by jury in civil cases, guaranteed by the 7th Amendment, and the right to bear arms guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment, have been distinctly held not to be privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, and in effect the same decision was made in respect of the guarantee against prosecution, except by indictment of a grand jury, contained in the 5th Amendment, and in respect of the right to be confronted with witnesses, contained in the 6th Amendment; it was held that the indictment, made indispensable by the 5th Amendment, and trial by jury guaranteed by the 6th Amendment, were not privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States, as those words were used in the 14th Amendment. We conclude, therefore, that the exemption from compulsory self-incrimination is not a privilege or immunity of National citizenship guaranteed by his clause of the 14th Amendment." Twining v. New Jersey, 211 US 78, 98-99

"There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state". Gardina v. Board of Registrars of Jefferson County, 160 Ala. 155; 48 So. 788 (1909)

"The governments of the United States and of each state of the several states are distinct from one another. The rights of a citizen under one may be quite different from those which he has under the other". Colgate v. Harvey, 296 U.S. 404; 56 S.Ct. 252 (1935)

"...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship". Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)

"There is a difference between privileges and immunities belonging to the citizens of the United States as such, and those belonging to the citizens of each state as such". Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41 (1900)

"We have in our political system a government of the United States and agovernment of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it's own..." United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

"It is quite clear, then, that there is a citizenship of the United States, and a citizenship of a state, which are distinct from each other and which depend upon different characteristics or circumstances in the individual".
Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. (16 Wall.) 36; 21 L.Ed. 394 (1873)

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good post rabbit

Post#18 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:50 am

I always tell folks....

Who the hell needs Civil Rights (permissions granted by governement)
when we already have CONSITUTIONAL God given Rights.

The civil war killed off America.

We have only had the Federal Union of the states since.

Time for a new 2nd American Revolution NOW!!!

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Post#19 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:11 pm

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July 12, 2006


You'll recall our alert regarding the BATFE raid on KT Ordnance, manufacturer of 80%
frames that -- when fully finished by you -- can be used to make AR-15 rifles [
http://www.jpfo.org/alert20060608.htm ]. Owner Rick Celata, who had suspended sales
after the raid, has informed us that his lawyer indicated he should return to
production. The 60th anniversery edition of Shotgun News (July 20th issue) features a
multi-page spread on KTO's products, which you can order from
http://www.ktordnance.com/kto/ (and be sure to mention JPFO!). These 80% frames are
definitely not UN-approved, so support a patriot and thumb your nose at the UN at the
same time!

Additionally, several groups, including JPFO, the Montana Shooting Sports Association (
www.mtssa.org ) and The Claire Files online community ( www.tcftalk.com/clairefiles )
are organizing a series of fundraising events for KTO. JPFO is donating several items
to be auctioned, including a "Boot the BATFE" pin and t-shirt, an _Innocents Betrayed_
DVD (a copy of which the BATFE displayed to local reporters as part of Rick's
"subversive, anti-government" material) and a copy of _RebelFire: Out of the Gray
Zone_. We'll let our supporters know as soon as the auction goes up.

In the meantime, due to the raid and the resultant hold on sales, Rick's financial
situation is seriously stressed. Montana Shooting Sports Association is collecting
donations for Rick's legal and personal use. If you'd like to help out with a direct
donation, please visit http://www.marbut.com/KT/ for details.

The BATFE doesn't want you to make your own firearms, and wants to make an example of
Rick. Don't let "The Gang" win this one -- please help KT Ordnance with a purchase or a
donation. - The Liberty Crew

PS: Who's "The Gang"? Find out at www.jpfo.org/thegang.htm !


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