Some excellent Israelite info from a few of friends

Where did they go... assyria and babylon... Where did they disappear to? Who lays claim to lost tribe heritage. Are the modern day Western Europeans direct descendants of the 10 Northeran tribes...
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Some excellent Israelite info from a few of friends

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From GLD:

The first book is by a jew named Yair Davidy called
"The Tribes" - The Israelite Origins Of Western
Peoples"
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Russell-Davis Publishers
Hebron Israel
US Copyright # 545744

The next two pastors are the ones we saw
at the feast last year.
Pastor Charles Jennings - The Book of Revelation
From an Israelite and Historicist Interpretation
Truth in History Ministories
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Owasso, Oklahoma 74055-0808
web site: truthinhistory.org

Pastor Lawrence Blanchard
The Fall and Redemption of Adam's Race
The Biblical Heritage of the Caucasian People
Fellowship of Gods Covenant People
Pastor Lawrence Blanchard
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Patrick - Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.ph ... ry&Number=
293416825&page=0&view=&sb=&o=&part=2&vc=1#Post293416825

.....Historical proof of the identification of the Israel peoples is no less than astounding, and the scholarship is unassailable... Just as the lost dog could conceivably receive a new name, the Israelites were known by their captors of a number of names, which changed across time in their differing locales; beginning mainly with “Iskuza” in a number of forms... Secular Historians have
proven that this name was the earlier name for those that were later known as Scythians; the Scythians were the self-same people that populated Europe as the Germanic tribes...

..... This Assyrian derivative was due to the fact that these captives referred to themselves as “sons of Isaac”, (which was yet another fulfillment of prophecy, see the declarations of Genesis, 21:12, Hosea, 11:1, Romans, 9:7 and Hebrews, 11:18); there is also one occurance in Scripture of the reference to the “House of Isaac”, (Amos, 7:16)... In her punishment, Israel was to be driven from her land and given a new home and that she would lose her identity, (Deuteronomy, 32:26, but not to YHVH, Hosea, 2:17); this identity loss was to History, for a time, due to her disobedience...

.....During captivity, Israel had come into contact with many other
peoples and were given differing names by the differing nations throughout her migrations; Isaac, in various languages, became such as Saka/Sakia, (Roman), Sacae/Sakae/Saka/Sakka/Sakiya/Scythia/Scythian, (persian, Median and Susian), Saksuna/Sacasene/Sakkas, (Indian), Skuthes/Skuthae, (Greek), Scolotoi, (Crimean), Skythes, (Welsh), and Sgaithanach, (Scots-Gaelic), most of the variation of which, was a result of the lack of vowells in the Hebrew... All of these names were later translated as Scythians, with minor variations...

.....Madison Grant, an Historian of no small stature, had indicated in his work, The Passing of The Great Race that “the Sacae, or Saka were the long-headed blonde peoples who carried the Aryan language into India”; he informs us that “Strabo recorded these people were the Scythians and Sacasena”, (pp. 511)... “The Essene and other literature of the Israelites found in the catacombs reveals that the Israelites and Jesus Christ Himself were the blonde-haired, blue-eyed peole who averaged six feet in height”...

.....Scripture declares that YHVH’s Israel would be scattered north of the river Euphrates, (1Kings, 14:15); the fulfillment came when Israel was taken captive into the Assyrian empire.. As Israel left Assyria, they passed northward through the “narrow pass” of the Caucasus mountains, from whence we get the very term “caucasian”; passing through the Kerch straits into the Crimea...

.....The name Saxon was derived from the Hebrew, Saka-sunni and it means “son of Saks” or “Isaac’s sons”; in Documents of Destiny, by F. Wallace Connon, (London, 1958), it is stated, “Dr. Holt Yates says: ‘The word Saxon comes from sons of Isaac’, and he gives Saak, Saac, Saax, Saach-en and shows that in many eastern languages , “sons of” is often written sunnia, which would give the sons of Isaac as saac-sunnia...

.....The Babylonians also referred to the Scythians as Gimirra/Gimiri, meaning “tribes” as the Israelites were virtually the only people broken into subsets of tribes and sub-tribes, and this is borne out by Strabo, greek Historian and geographer; the Romans called them Kimmiroi... all of these names translated to the English “Cimmerian” or “Cimbri”... The Assyrians and Babylonians also called the Israelites “Sak-Galutha” or “Bit-Khumri”; “Galutha” meaning “captive” in Hebrew and “Bit-Khumri” being the Assyrian equivalent to the Hebrew “Beth-Omri”, which meant “House of Omri”...

.....To demonstrate that the Cimmerians, Sacae, Saxons and Scythians were of the same race of people as the Angles, Celts, Danes, Gaels and Goths, I will rely upon the words of the scholars; to wit...

.....George Moore, in his Saxons East and West stated, “The Sacae and the Getae who formerly invaded India sprang from the same source as the Saxons and Goths of the West, and were distinctly connected with the Israelites”...

.....Pliney the Elder, (23-79 A.D.), the Roman scholar and author of Historia Naturalis, said, “the Sakai were among the most distinguished people who lived in Scythia and that they had been called Sacca-suni”, (Connon, pp. 102)...

.....Ptolemy, (2nd century, A. D.), Greco-Egyptian astronomer, mathematician, and geographer, stated the “Saxons were a Scythian people descended from the Sakae, who came from Media”...

.....Professor Hans F. K. Gunter, (German ethnologist), states, “Whatever peoples, whatever individual Viking bands, may have trodden English ground, Celts, Angels, Jutes, Danes, Norweigian and Icelandic Vikings, Normans, they were all predominantly Nordic peoples.” The Racial Elements of European History, 1927...

.....Professor Huxley, stated, “If what I have to say in a matter of science weighs with any man who has political power, I ask him to believe that the arguments about the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Celts are a mere sham and delusion.”, (from a quotation by Sir Arthur Keith, in The Sunday Times, October 27, 1935)...


.....Sir F. Palgrove, stated, “Britons, Anglo-Saxons, Danes and Normans were all relations, however hostile, they were all kinsmen, shedding kindred blood.”, (English commonwealth)...


.....Sir Arthur Keith, stated, “As regards shape of skull or form of bones I do not think a practised craniologist could distinguish the skulls and bones found in an ancient Saxon cemetary in Surrey from the remains of a Celtic grave in Connemara, so much are the Celtic and Saxon types alike. Were we to dress one group of fishermen from the coast of Norfolk and one group of fishermen from the shores of Connaught in the same garb, I do not think there is an anthropologist in Europe who by mere inspection could tell the Irish from the English group. From a physical point of view the Celt and the Saxon are one; whatever be the source of their mutual antagonism, it does not lie in a difference of race. It is often said that we British are a mixed and mongrel collection of types and breeds; the truth is that as regards physical type the inhabitants of the British Isles are the most uniform of all the large nationalities of Europe.”, (Nationality and Race From an Anthropologist’s Point of View, (1919, pp. 23-24)...

.....Sir T. Nicholas, wrote, “The researches of modern Historians, unequivocally favor the opinion that under the name Keltai, Galaltai, Gauls, Gaels, Gwyddils, Celts, Cimmerii, Cimbri, Cymry, Brythons, Lloegrians, Scots and Picts, only one race under different tribe or clan divisions, political organizations and periods of existence, is spoken of, hence, one people.“, (Missing Links, pp. 225)...


.....Professor Sharon Turner, F.S.A., R.A.S.L., in his History of the Anglo-Saxons, (1799-1805), states, “The Anglo-Saxons, Lowland Scotch, Normans and Danes have all sprung from the great fountain of the first human race which we have distinguished by the terms Scythian and Gothic... (the Scythians migrated)... crossed the Araxes, (Aras River), passing out of Asia, and suddenly appeared in Europe in the sixth century B. C....


.....William Camden, states, “I think the conjecture of those learned Germans, who imagine the Saxons are descended from the Saci, the most powerful people of Asia; that they are so called, as if one should say Sacasones, that is ‘Sons of Sacae’; and that out of Scythia or Sarmatae Asiatica, they poured little by little into Europe, along with the Getes, the Swevi, and the Daci; deserves credit the best of any other. And indeed, the opinions of those men who fetch the Saxons out of Asia, where mankind had its rise and growth, does not want some color of reason.”, (from Missing Links, pp. 225, quoting The Seed of Isaac, by J.D. Granger, pp. 168)...

.....Professor Dr. Joseph Ehret, states, “Less blood would flow, if the European inhabitants knew how closely they are related as brother and sister, in law. With few exceptions, we constitute a close community of peoples, a true family encompassing the majority of national cultures, stretching from the Islandics in the north to the Italians in the south, and from the Old-Indians in the east to the Portuguese in the west.


.....This Indo-European family, also called by some the Indo-Germanic. encompasses a rich History and for those who take the trouble to leaf through its pages, it promises a rich harvest. This is especially true when one disregards the more recent peoples and works back toward the oldest who have retained their original primordiality, such as... the Greeks of antiquity or the Lithuanians and their stock brothers, the Latvians. In this case one obtains highly valuable knowledge from which one can draw conclusions about their fore-fathers, about the primordial people from which we stem.” (Lithuania: The European Adam, 1983, pp. 9, 10)...


.....In the British Museum, there are Assyrian tablets which were found in Ninevah in which we find the first mention of the Scythians in History around 699-681, B.C., (ironic that the city that was spared judgement by YHVH plays a role in identifying Israel); there were additional records discovered in Ninevah and Babylon that illustrate beyond a doubt that the Israelites were the Sacae and the Scythians, (Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets, by E. Raymond Capt, M.A., A.I.A., F.S.A., 1985)... In the timeframe mentioned the Scythians were living in Medes; the significance of this discovery was that with this, we see the beginning of the fulfillment of prophecy... The Assyrian term Iskuza, was the result of the name the Israelites had for themselves as “Isaaca”, which was more than likely to remind themselves that they were, indeed, the children of the promise, and that YHVH would keep them, even in their captivity; they eventually had forgotten why they were so named and shortly thereafter, forgot they were Israel at all...

.....About 1800 in England, (which coincides with the ending of the 2520 years of national punishment), the population began to wonder of their roots and question from whence they came; there was an exceptional gentleman and scholar that rose to the questions... Sharon Turner, F.S.A., R.A.S.L., (1768-1847), wrote his several volumes of impeccable scholarship, establishing himself as the foremost authority on The History of the Anglo-Saxons, which, even today stands as the final word on the subject; His 1,820 pages reveals that the Anglo-Saxons descend from the Scythians who had come to Europe from the Median cities on the Gaozan River, (this is the exact spot wherein defeated and deported Israel had been located by Shalamanezer V of Assyia)... Mr. Turner quotes The Vetus Chronicon Holstatioe, “The Danes and the Jutes are Jews, (read: Israelites), of the tribe of Dan”; it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize that if the Danes and Jutes of European stock are of the tribe of Dan that the other European peoples were derived of the other Israelite tribes...


.....Diodorus Siculus, (1st century), a noted Greek Historian, states, “The Scythians anciently enjoyed but a small tract of ground, but through their valor, growing stronger by degrees, they enlarged their dominion far and near, and attained at last to a vast and glorious empire... seated themselves near the River Araxes... This nation prospered more and more, and had kings that were very famous; from whom the Sacans and the Massagetae, (“greater” Getae, as opposed to the Thyssagetae, “lesser” Getae who together became the Goths; Ostrogoths, east, and Visigoths, west), and the Arimaspians, and many other names derive their origin. Amongst others, there were two remarkable colonies that were drawn out of the conquered nations by those kings; the one they brought out of Assyria and settled in the country lying between Paphlagonia and Pontus, (south Russia near the Black Sea); the other out of Media, which they placed near the River Tanais, (Don), which people are called the Sauromatians, (Lituanian Balts)”...


.....F.C. Danvers, K.C.C., F.R.S.S., in his Israel Redivivus, 1905, (Redivivus=second hand), indicates that Diodorus also identified two colonies among the Scythians who were Israelites out of the Babylonian captivity; fascinating indeed that the Scythians came out of the very two locations of their captivity as described by Scripture and illustrated by History...


.....William Pascoe Goard, L.L.D., F.R.G.S., F.R.E.S., in his book, The Post-Captivity Names of Israel, (1934), as he quotes Rollins Ancient History, (Charles Rollins was a distinguished French Historian and the Rector of the University of Paris in 1694; the quote is from Book VI, Chapter I, Section III), “According to this author, (Justin), the Scythians lived in great innocence and simplicity... and ... they were... unacquainted with vice. They did not make any division of their lands among themselves... since they did not cultivate them. Horace, in one of his odes, tells us... they had no houses nor settled habitation; but wandered continually with their cattle and their flocks fom country to country... and made milk and honey their principle diet... This contempt of all conveniences of life, says Justin, was attended with such an honesty and unrightness of manners as hindered them from ever coveting their neighbors’ goods.”...

.....Colonel J. C. Gawler, (Keeper of the Crown Jewells in the Tower of London), in his book, Dan: The Pioneer of Israel, (1879) states, “Strabo likewise quotes several authors who speak of the excellent laws and habits of the Sakai, a tribe of Scythians who are called ‘a righteous race’, (emphasis mine, Patrick ), the laws, customs, and manners of the Scythia, (says Epiphanius), were received by the other nations as the standards of policy, civility, and polite learning”; (for the Scythians rapid growth and expansion, evidence of their excellent laws, great learning and abhorrance of swine, see Diodorus, Herodotus, Strabo, Aeschylus, and Epiphanius... Also, Ephorus quotes Choerilus, who called the Sakai of Asia “a colony of nomads, a righteous race”; Herodotus also records, (volumes IV, pp. 76), that the Scythians “studiously avoid the use of foreign customs”...

.....Colonel Gawler went on, stating, “the people, the Dacae called Polistoe, I do verily believe are the same with those which Strabo called Plistoe, and were the stock of the Abii, (a Scythian tribe whom Arrian calls “the justest people in the world”)”...

.....Frederick Haberman in his work, Tracing our White Ancestors, (1934), says, “Aeschylus, the Greek poet tells us, the Sacae were noted for their good laws, and were preeminently a righteous people”; further, “The Scythians told Herodotus that their nation had been in existence for a thousand years previous to the invasion of Darius. If we date, therefore, a thousand years back from the time of Darius, 515 B.C., we arrive at 1485 B.C., the date of the exodus, (from Egypt), when Israel was founded... these lived on the Gerrhus, a tributary of the present Dneister. Herodotus includes among the Scythian tribes, the Getae, who lived on the shores of the Danube, (i.e. the Arsareth of Esdras, mentioned above). Those Getae, as Herodotus tell us, believed in their immortality, going after their death to “Zalmoxis”, which means nothing less than the “God of Moses”. So also was the country where the Getae lived named Moesia, for in it lived a ‘people of Moses’.” (pp. 129)...
.....King James was known as “Jacobus”, (Jacob) and thus the flag got it’s name, the Union Jack. However, the symbology of the flag goes far deeper, not just back to the turn of the 17th century AD, at the beginning of the formation of the nation of Britain, (covenant nation), but all the way back to the ending of the 17th century BC at the beginning of the formation of the nation of Israel... I shouldn’t need to reiterate the story of Joseph’s blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh, but the “cross” of the Union Jack is the result of those crossed arms...

.....The west window of Westminster Abbey, which is over the main door, has a row of panels... The three at the top contain the figures of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the next two rows of seven each contain figures of Rueben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulon, Issachar and Dan; Asher, Napthali, Joseph, Benjamin, Moses and Aaron, and the bottom row contains the emblem of Moses and the emblem of Aaron at each end, but at the center, the Lion of Judah, the Bull of Joseph, the Arms of Britain.

.....The coronation service throughout is an intensely interesting study... the by-far largest collection of evidence as to the whereabouts of the throne, (both figurative and literal), are detailed in a book called Jacob’s Pillar by E. Raymond Capt... and moreso in Conner’s Documents of Destiny...

.....Brigadier General W. H. Fasken, C.B., in his book Israel’s Racial Origins and Migrations, states, “It must be realized, as Dr. Goard has reminded us, that the History of Israel as given in the Bible is the History of Israel in Palestine. If any section of Israel, during Israel’s national sojourn in “the land”, left the geographical boundaries of that land, they ceased to find a place in it’s, (Biblical), History. They are not forgotten in the covenant or prophecy, but having marched out of the land they have, for that very reason, marched out of the, (Biblical), Historical record.”...

.....Colonel J. C. Gawler, again, from his book Dan: The Pioneer of Israel, (1879), states, “Sailman, a Jewish writer in 1818, in Researches in The East quotes Ortellius, ‘that the Kingdom of Arsareth, (2Esdras, 13:45), was where the ten tribes finally settled and took the name Gauthei.’”

.....The name Gauthei is of no small import; this distinguishes the Israelites as the Germanic tribes of Europe. In addition Colonel Gawler relates, “The Scythians were later known as Goths, or Gothi, possibly because Getae, an important branch of the Scythian nations, were most in contact with the Romans, with whom, therefore, all Scythians were called Gothi.”...

.....Dr. George Moore, in his work, British History Traced From Egypt to Palestine, (1927, London), states, “The name Goth, as already surmised, was probably transferred from Palestine to the neighborhood of the Caspian Sea, where the Getae and the Sacae, the Goths and the Saxons, are Historically found together.”...

.....Pliney the Elder, Roman Historian, (c.50 A.D.), states, “The name Scythian has extended in every directin, even to the Sarmatae and the Germans, beyond the Danube are the peoples of Scythia. The Persians have called them by the general name of Sacae. The more ancient writers give them the name Aramii. The multitude of these Scythians is quite innumerable, (Genesis, 13:16; 15:5; 17:4, 6, Patrick); in their life and habits they much resemble the people of Parthia. The tribes among them that are better known are the Sacae, the Massagetae, the Dahae.”...

.....Dr. Hans Gunther, Professor of Berlin University in the 1920’s, in his book, Racial Elements of European History, states, “Ancient writers, such as Polemon of Ilium, Galienos, Clement of Alexandria, and Adamantios, state that the Sacae, (Scythians), were like the Kelts and Germans, and describe them as ruddy-fair, (not red-Patrick). The Scythian tribe of the Alans are also described as having Nordic appearance. Ammianus, (c. 350 A.D.), describes them as ‘almost all tall and handsome, with hair almost yellow, and a fierce look’.”...

.....J. Llewellyn Thomas, F.R.C.S., in his book The Assyrian Invasions and Deportations of Israel, states, “It is noteworthy that the tribe of Dan is not mentioned in these accounts, (of Assyrian deportations), whilst the other tribes are named. The northern Danites should have been the first to feel the Assyrian impact. They were not there, and are believed to have migrate by sea, (which I will soon prove, Patrick), to avoid the Assyrian menace.”...

.....Dr. J. Franklin Snook, in his book, To Heal The Nation, (1977), confirms what Mr. Thomas says when he states, “During the 38 years between the two censuses taken in the wilderness, the five tribes of Reuben, Gad, Ephraim, Naphtali and Simeon decreased in numbers by 61,080 men. During the same period the other seven tribes increased by 62,260 men. These figures can only be the result of the beginning of the fulfillment of God’s promise in Genesis, 28:14, wherein He told Jacob that he should spread abroad to the west, east, north, and the south.”, (pp.10), (see also Numbers, 1, 3:39, & 26)... Recall that an Israelite census counted only men of military age, (twenty-one and up), and that the numbers rendered were slightly more than 600,000. This would be about one-fifth of the total Israelite population; Rev. J.R. Dummelow, M.A., Queen’s College, Cambridge, (1954), editor of The One Volume Bible Commentary, indicated that the entire population of Israelites at that time was in the neighborhood of three million...

.....More evidence to the fact that the Scythian peoples who fathered the Germanic tribes, are, in fact the Israelites of Scripture, is found in the tombs of Scythia, which were discovered in the south eastern portion of Russia, (Scythia and Crimea); these tumuli, (tombs), date from 580 B.C. to the 1st century A.D. and had contained many of the symbols of the Israelites along with fine animal drawings, (as can be seen in the American Journal of Archeology, 1914, Volume 18, and the Illustrated London News, January 3rd and February 14th, 1914), along with a number of Hebrew manuscripts which were translated by Professor Hannay and included in the previously mentioned book by Frederick Haberman, wherein he documented the content of some, “I am Jehudi, the son of Moses, the son of Jehudi the Mighty, a man of the tribe of Naphtali, which was carried captive with the other tribes of Israel, by Prince Shalmaneser, from Samaria during the reign of Hoshea, King of Israel. They were carried to Halah, to Habor-which is Cabul- to Gozan and to Cheronesus-which is the Crimea.”, (Haberman, pp.129)...

.....In the Crimea, there were many thousands of tombstones found in Scythian graveyards that carried Hebrew-Phoenician inscriptions; Professor Chwolsen of Petrograd had translated some 700 of these, among which we read, “This is the tombstone of Buki, the son of Itchak the priest; may his rest be in Eden, at the time of the salvation of Israel. In the year 702 of the years of our exile.” Another reads, “To one of the faithful in Israel, Abraham ben Mar-Sinchah of Kertch, in the year of our exile 1682, when the envoys of the Rosh Meschek came from Kiou to our master. Prince David, Halmah, Habor and Gozan, to which place Tigleth Pilesar had exiled the sons of Reuben and Gad, and half have been scattered through the entire coast, even as far as China.”, (Haberman, pp. 130)...

.....E.P. Ingersoll, in his book, Lost Israel found in the Anglo-Saxon Race, (1886), states, “many of these tombstones were in St. Petersburg, and others of them read, ‘Moses Levi, a priest, died in the year 726 of our exile;’ and ‘Zadok the Levite; son of Moses, died 4,000 years after the creation, 785 of our exile.’”, (pp.34)...

.....E. P. Ingersoll, (mentioned above), tells us that according to Oxonian, (in his Wanderings of Israel), Herodotus himself was an Israelite from the tribe of Dan; in the Book of Maccabees, (The Apocrypha), the author speaks to the Lacedaemonian Spartans were of Israelite heritage, which is confirmed by Flavius Josephus in his Antiquities, XII, IV, 10 & XIII, V, 8...

.....Brigadier General W. H. Fasken, C.B., (mentioned above), states, “it was Israel, and principally the tribe of Dan, which furnished the human element of classic Greece.”, (pp.64)...

.....Colonel Gawler, (mentioned above), quotes Latham, from Ethnology of Europe with the following words, “I think the eponympous, (for the unfamiliar, an eponymous is the name of a real or mythological person upon whom is presumed to be the origin of the name of a particular place or region), of the Argive Danai, (a region of ancient Greece), was no other than that of the Israelite tribe of Dan, only, we are so used to confine ourselves to the soil of Palestine in our consideration of the Israelites, that we treat them as if they were adscripti gleboe, (meaning, tied to the land), and ignore the share they may have taken in the ordinary History of the world. The sea ports between Trye and Ascalon, or Dan, Ephraim, and Ashur must have followed the History of sea ports in general, and not have stood on the coast for nothing. What a light would be thrown on the name of Peloponnesus and the History of the Pelopid family, if a bona fide nation of Pelopes, with unequivocal affinities and contempory annals, had existed on the coast of Asia! Who would have hesitated to connect the two? Yet with the Danai and the tribe of Dan this is the case, and no one connects them!”, (pp. 11, 12)...

.....Now; think of the good Colonel’s words for a moment... It would have to be either profound ignorance or a conspiracy to conceal these truths from the world that results in virtually the entire world remaining in the dark as to the identity of Israel in this day; did not YHVH declare that His people Israel had a very particular role which they were to fulfill, namely, to be through whom the world would be blessed? From Father Abraham forward, Israel was to be a light unto the world and the prophecy makes the inherent demand upon her to fulfill this role; in every century since, this people have been playing this role of distinction and it doesn’t require that close of an inspection by which to see... so far thrust into the forefront of History have these people been that it cannot be missed, (or dismissed); one people and one people alone have ever been able to step up to the plate and assume the role that has been given... yet, we see an ugly step-sister attempt to stuff her fat foot into the glass slipper of Israel’s Cinderella role, but it doesn’t come even remotely close to fitting inside; modern “scholars” seem to believe it impossible for our Israelite brethren to be in existence outside of the Scriptural parameters of the land of Israel of old, yet, all evidence declares, nay, proves, the facts are to the contrary...

.....E. P. Ingersoll, (mentioned above), unveils, “From Historic evidences that have come to light recently, it seems that Dan had been long familiar with the then-western world; that he had been accustomed to the performance of voyages with the Phoenicians all over the Mediterranean Sea, and beyond outside the Straits of Hercules; and that alone, unaccompanied by any of his neighbors, he had sailed to Egypt, and thence to Greece, taking with him a colony of his own people; and that these Danai are said to have been among the first settlers of Greece. It is further stated that Dan was engaged in the sacking of Troy; that afterwards he conquered Macedonia, and that Alexander, (the Great), seems to have descended from this very tribe of Israel. It is furthermore stated that Dan settled, after his sacking of Troy, in that very region, where he built twelve cities.”, (pp. 14)...

.....Colonel Gawler states, “Allatius supposes that the Israelites peopled the countries of Iberia, (modernday Spain; “Iberia” translates to “land of the Hebrews”), and Golchis, (modernday Greece); and he adduces the authority of Constantine Porphyrogenetes in support of the Israelitish origin of the inhabitants of Iberia. The name Iberia, as well as Bithynia-also on the south of the Black Sea-certainly strike one as of Hebrew origin”, (pp. 18)...

.....Keating in History of Ireland states, “The Dan-ans were a people of great learning and welth. They left Greece after a battle with the Assyrians and went to Ireland, and also to Denmark, and called it Danmares, Dan’s country.”

.....Herodotus, (mentioned above), states, “The most distinguished of the expelled foreigners, (from Egypt), followed Danus, (Dan), and Cadmus into Greece, but the greater number of them was led by Moses into Judah, (Canaan)”... Cadmus, should you know your Scripture, was the great-grandson of Chacol, as per 1Kings, 4:31 and 1 Chronicles, 3:6, who was the great-great-grandson of Judah. Cadmus and those with him entered Greece subsequent to those of Israel that had entered the promised soil; the ancient land of Greece, Colchia, had derived it’s name from Chacol...

.....Elizabeth C. Evans, in Physiognomics in the Ancient World, Transactions of the American Philosophical Society, I, 1969, states, “The pure Greek is, according to Polemo, (considered the foremost ancient physiognomist), of the moderate and erect stature, of a fair face with light complection mixed with red; he is lean with hands and elbows of moderate size, watchful, quick to learn, with medium-sized head, with thickness and strength in the neck, soft reddish hair, not curly, but combed and straight, with a square contenance, thin lips, and a moderate straight nose, moist, shining eyes, which move quickly and contain much light.”...

.....Hans F.K. Gunther, in his book, The Racial Elements of European History, states, “whenever the Hellenic and Ionic race has been kept pure, according to Adamantios, (Hebrew Sophist and Physician, 4th century A.D.), we see proper tall men of fairly broad and straight build, neatly made, of fairly light skin and blond; the flesh is rather firm, the limbs straight, the extremities well made, the eyes bright, piercing and full of light, for of all nations, the Greek has the fairest eyes.”...

.....I wanted to get in this last bit of the Greek connection before moving on; that, as well as pointing out that in places, such as John, 7:35, the bastard term of “gentiles” was substituted for “Helene”, (Strong’s #1672), so that the verse should have been translated thusly, “Will He go unto the dispersed among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?”, as opposed to the way the KJV reads and the Israelites being spoken to here knew the Greeks were of Israel... Above I had posted the “marks” of Israel, placed upon her by YHVH, by which we could identify them in the latter days; I think we should look at a few of them against the evidence of the world History related and perhaps compare and contrast the actual happenings of the people purported in this day to be Israel against those in whom the actual fulfillment has been found... Again, this will take a bit of time, as I have more to do than just post, but i will try to move in a timely fashion; thanks in advance for your patience...

.....Let’s look at a few of the marks that Scripture declares would be upon Israel and see if we can determine from the Scriptural proofs just who Israel is in the world today; the marks posted above tell quite a story and it is contrary to the “conventional wisdom” of “everybody knows” thus and so...

.....Israel to have multitudinous seed and number as the “sands of the sea” and the “stars of the heavens”. Genesis, 12:2,3; 13:16; 15:5; 17:4, 6, 16, 19, 21; 18:18, 19; 21:12; 22:17, 18; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 35:11; Psalms, 89:29, 36; Isaiah, 65:15. Do the caucasian Israelites come closer to fitting this description than those in the ME? I believe they have never numbered more than 20 million and they actually have a regressive birthrate, which is why they have always had to mix with those among whom they have lived; the regressive birthrate is a Scriptural sign of a “curse”, as opposed to a blessing... YHVH declared through the blessing given by Jacob to Ephraim and Manasseh that they would grow into a multitude “in the midst of the earth”, (Genesis, 48:16), but the word “grow”, (Strong’s #1711), is used only one time in the Hebrew here; it means “to grow rapidly or spawn in great numbers as fish”... what was the symbol of the Christians very early on? Now? Coincidence? Hmmm...

.....Israel to be a great and mighty nation. Genesis, 12:2; 18:18; Deuteronmy, 4:7, 8, as well as Israel to become a company of nations. Genesis, 17:4-6, 15, 16; 35:11; 48:19; Ephesians, 2:12; and Israel to be the first among nations. Genesis, 27:29; 28:13; Jeremiah, 31:7... first, America is renowned as the greatest nation ever on the the planet... while itself, technically is a “company of nations”, this “company” status better applies to the collection of nations on the European continent; America would better fit the definition of “great nation”... The caucasians from the European continent are our brethren; when Scripture said that “brother would war against brother”, this has seen fulfillment many times over, (in the last 200 plus years, in particular)... Does the sandbox by the name of Israel in the ME qualify as either a “great nation” or a “company of nations”? Not hardly, much less both; still a shut-out so far...

.....As far as Israel’s prophesied power, Israel to have all the land needed, Deuteronomy, 32:8; Israel to be the first among nations, Genesis, 27:29; 28:13; Jeremiah, 31:7; Israel’s home to be invincible by outside forces, II Samual, 7:10; Isaiah, 41:11-14; Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deuteronomy, 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isaiah, 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah, 7:16, 17; Jeremiah, 33:9; Israel to possess the gates of her enemies, Genesis, 22:17; Israel to have control of the seas, Deuteronomy, 33:19; Numbers, 24:7; Psalms, 89:25; Isaiah, 60:5. The very first of this list disqualifies the sandbox, does it not? Is the ‘’israel’’-lie, (emphasis on the lie), first among the nations or does America better fit the bill? Does the ‘’israel’’-lie control the gates of her enemies? In these latter days we have given away our Panama canal, and we can see the effects of the curses of Deuteronomy 28 becoming more evident with each passing day; even a blind man could see who these marks describe... Does the ‘’israel’’-lie control the seas? Still pitching a no-hitter here; are any Christians coming out of their slumber yet?

.....YHVH also said Israel would be his “battle axe” by which He would conquer the nations, (Jeremiah, 51:20; Numbers, 24:8, 9; Psalms, 2:8, 9; Isaiah, 41:10, 16; Micah, 5:8; Malachai, 4:3); who was it that made such an instrument famous in battle? Scripture also said that Israel would conquer Rome, (Daniel, 2:34, 35, 44, 45); it was the Vandals and the Goths, (who we saw from Historical evidence to be Israel), that conquered Rome; their difficulties began under Decius around 255 A.D. during his reign of terror against Christians... The Goths were the first of those Germanic tribes to overpower the Roman empire; the Visigothic king named Alaric I conquered Romae in 410 A.D.... Did the “jews” fulfill these prophecies? This is becoming more ludicrous as an argument by the sentence, don’t you think? The irony lies in the fact that it was the “jews” that so infuriated Rome in 70 A.D. that they sent General Titus in to destroy Jerusalem; Ezra and Nehemiah both record that there were those that were rejected as a result of the geneological records being in the Temple to tell them who was who in the zoo... they planned the very destruction then bemoaned their poor persecuted status after-the-fact; go back and read some of the early portion of this thread and apply what you have since learned...

.....There are also the prophecies concerning Israel having a new name and being called through Isaac, (recall “Saxon”), (also, Christian, 2Chronicles, 7:14); having a new home, (north and west of Palestine), being a perpetual nation and the long and fascinating story, (which I may here tell), of how Israel would have a perpetual throne... the daughters of King Zedekiah and Jeremiah’s sojourn to Ireland; Jacob’s pillar as the very coronation stone... I could certainly go on, but should one not see it by now they will remain blind right up to the end of the age; so much of Our Father’s Living Letter to His children has been closed to Christian understanding by the erroneous assignation of YHVH’s chosen to those of the ’’israel’’-lie and this is the lie that needs to be exposed for what it is... the biggest lie of the big lie concept; Israel was never to return to the land until the Kingdom age, which does not begin until the return of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords... Selah...

.....Do you not see, Christian, what Scripture has been declaring all along? There is no question as to the identity of Israel; notice, though, that those that decry these facts never refute this position with factual documentation from either History or Scripture? Their position is completely devoid of any factual documentation, instead relying upon emotional pleas, (as well as parsing of terminology), and shouts of “racist! racist!” while never noticing that holding to the erroneous position of the “jews” as YHVH’s chosen is of exactly the same bent! How could one position be racist and the other not?

.....To deal with the “racist” epiphet, I would only say that truth oftentimes seems to be severe when it really is not; one must shed many of the false teachings that have been perpetuated since the days of the Apostles... realize that in this world there are such things as learned folly that operates from a base of verbosity; midgets stand in stilts, obscured by the flowing skirts of skillful prose or the wayward usage of the powers of declamation, yet the stilts remain in existence... be not fooled, brethren, as they delight in your deception; deny them their hand-rubbing... do you wish to allow Scripture to declare the truth to you or will you allow the truth to be obscured by the sweet-sounding words of the nephinim in the pull pit? When The Christ declared in no uncertain terms that He came not to destroy The Law and The Prophets, but to fulfill, do you allow some whoring hired servant to tell you The Law was “nailed to the cross” in direct contradiction to the Words of The One you profess to serve? YHVH forbid...

The Perpetual Throne of Israel...

.....Above I posted the verses concerning Israel’s blindness to their own identity; He also declared that we would be without an “ephod or teraphim” for a time, (Hosea, 3:4), that is to say, without a vision from YHVH or a sign... without also true Priests ordained by YHVH to lead His people to Him; all these crazy people that run around saying “God told me to wear my blue suit today”, or “God told me to park in the shade today”, (or whatever nonsense they attempt to trot out for the foolish people that would sit in their pews), prove that they have not an inkling of Our Father’s Word and their own words are witness against them as being the aforementioned nephinim, or “hired servants”... Isaiah called them “dumb dogs that cannot bark”; I happen to have a few worse names for them...

.....Now, YHVH swore that the people of Israel would have over them forever a King, specifically, from the tribe of Judah, (Genesis, 49:8-10), and that there would never come a time when there would not be an heir of David to sit on the throne; YHVH made this solemn promise to David, (Numbers, 23:21; 2Samual, 7:13-16; 1Chronicles, 22:10; 2Chronicles, 13:5; Psalms, 89:1-6, 20, 27-29, 35-37; 132:10-14, 17; Jeremiah 33:17-26; Ezekiel, 37;24), and we know that YHVH cannot lie, so this was a vow that could not be broken...

.....At first blush, this would appear to be a contradiction, but only to the weaker student; this vow has never been broken, regardless the verse from Hosea... This, however is easily resolved when the context is properly considered; He declared that the House of Israel would be without a King for a short period... Hosea had prophesied against the northern tribes in their iniquity, and this was roughly 760 B.C.; this particular prophecy came to pass about forty years after the utterance when the House of Israel was carried into the Assyrian captivity... at that point in time, they had not a King; the House of Judah, (no, not the “jews”), however, still had King Jotham on the throne; YHVH had not forsaken His Promise here, or anywhere else... when the northern tribes, (House of Israel), were being taken, the southern tribes, (House of Judah), remained as a Kingdom, although there was a portion of the House of Judah that went into the Assyrian captivity with the northern Kingdom; by the time of Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon had begun taking the House of Judah into the Babylonian captivity, (586-584 B.C.), some of those from the Assyrian captivity were already escaping into Europe, where they began to re-establish small Kingdoms; to add to this fact, even before the time of David, there were Israelites that had already left the main fold of the flock and had begun to establish Kingdoms that were growing into empires, (just as was Greece), and I would imagine the ruling Kings that were over them were of the tribe of Judah... “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor from between his feet”, (put for his posterity), recall?

.....Even beyond all of this, when the House of Judah was in the process of being taken captive to Babylon, YHVH, true to His Word as always, had provided for the displacement of the “seed of David”, so to speak, sort of a transplantation, from out of Judah proper; the last King of the House of Judah was Mattaniah, whom Nebuchadnezzar had later renamed Zedekiah, (recall the story above concerning his “never seeing Babylon”)... after taking Zedekiah, Nebuchadnezzar had his sons slain and Zedekiah’s eyes put out, which would “appear” to have ended the posterity of Zedekiah then and there; but Jeremiah informs us in 41:10 & 43:6 that he had also had daughters... Zedekiah’s daughters were taken by Jeremiah, in his Divine Mission, (Jeremiah, 1:10, “to plant”; 18:7, “to pluck up”; 31:31-37, see also Ezekiel, 17:1-6 for the clues to this mystery)...

.....I was interrupted partway into this and some of it is complex; I also have to locate a few notes I have on Tea Telphi to illustrate what those Ezekiel verses portray... as Esso said some time back that anything worth doing is worth doing right, (which is wisdom my Dad used to impart), and some of the little things in this story are what make it so fascinating, so I still have to ferret a couple of those out as I go... I’ll put this up and try to get a bit more of it before the night’s out...

.....Those daughters of King Zedekiah were taken to the British Isles and we have some Historical proof of such, which I will get to; there can be no excuse, save Divine Providence for the fact that Jeremiah had been given complete freedom of movement by the king of Babylon... he went so far as to give his own general to Jeremiah as a servant, as well as a sum of money to see to his needs, (Jeremiah, 39:11-14); were there other ensamples of any pagan kings so doing with the likes of a prophet from a conquered peoples? One would be hard-pressed to find one; some time later, Jeremiah had been taken into Egypt, (Jeremiah, 43), by the disobedient Judeans, where Jeremiah made his break, along with his scribe, Baruch, (Jeremiah, 36:4), and made his way to Spain with the daughters of Zedekiah, and later to the British Isles...

.....With the knowledge of the fact that the Grecian dynasties were of the Israelites, once Troy was founded, many of the Grecian Israelites had migrated into the British Isles as well and found their Israelite brethren already established; these included the Davidic descendents, including those through Nathan’s, (David’s son, who had already established a monarchy there), line... thus, we see that the continuum of the throne existing through the remarriage of Zedekiah’s daughters into the Davidic line, and an heir to David reigning over true Israel; it matters not the “name” they were known by...

.....In Ezekiel, 21:25-27 we read of the throne being taken, in a sense; YHVH declared He would “overturn, overturn, overnturn”, and give it to “Him to come”... three times would there be an “overturning”, and from History, we document these three when Jacob’s Pillar, representing the throne, was taken to Ireland by Jeremiah... By the Irish name of Lia-fail we recognize the sacred relic that was reported to have been there some five centuries before The Christ; it was upon this stone that all Kings and Queens of, not only Ireland, but England and Wales, were coronated... This was “overturned” in 498 A.D. by one Fergus the Great to Scotland; taking the name of the “Stone of Scone” by virtue of the fact that it was kept in the Abbey of Scone...

.....The Scottish hold was then “overturned” to England by Edward I in 1296 A.D. where it spent until recently, (if I am up to speed on the latest information), under the coronation throne in Westminster Abbey and referred to as the “coronation stone”; yes, there are extensive articles and studies that “debunk” the stone... just as my reading of Jeremiah 31 earlier is said to be in error as it could not mean as I say, but it refers to the millenial reign; this verse was saying “they shall teach no more” when we know they will teach in the millenium, just as Ezekiel 44 tells us... this is how the confusers work, you see? I had explained said verse and was ridiculed for “improper sentence structure” or some such nonsense, (they do well to keep one off balance); in retrospect, however, for their reading to have validity, they defy other witnesses within Scripture, when they assert that which is not in alignment with the whole of His Word... And they tell me, “context, context, context”...

.....The three “overturnings” are exactly as declared; our History is replete with prophetic fulfillment, thus validating, in no uncertain terms, that which Scripture declares... but we don’t all do our homework, do we? We don’t all study the reality of His Story and how perfect is the alignement when roles of the actors on the world scene are properly applied; too many of us listen to the fairy tale being craftily woven for us, thereby obscuring the reality behind a similar veil to the one hiding the midget’s stilts... About the only observation I find more fascinating is to see how many buy the lie, and defend it with vigor; but then, that is just more validation of the prophetic utterance of Scripture... “My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge” certainly comes to mind...

.....The original concept of the “Divine Right of King” was due to the fact that YHVH had established the monarchy in the throne spoken of herein, as opposed to mere man; the evidence surrounding the Stone, or Jacob’s Pillar, (for further information on the story of this stone, see The Stones Cry Out by Bonnie Gaunt, as well as Jacob’s Pillar, by E. Raymond Capt, M.A., A.I.A., F.S.A.), reveals that it came to Ireland, (Hibernia), from Spain, (Iberia), and that it had it’s early days in the Holy Land, (which today is profaned)... it is of no small import that the symbol for the nation of Ireland is the Harp of David; just as the symbols of the tribes are manifest throughout the Christian west...

.....Frederick Haberman, (mentioned above), in his book, Tracing Your White Ancestors, (1934), states, “Irish Historians are unanimous in agreement that about 580 B.C. there arrived in Ulster a notable man, a Patriarch, or Saint, accompanied by an eastern Princess, and a lesser person by the name of Simon Brach, or Berech, (Jeremiah’s scribe, Baruch; ancient Irish records refer also to this particular arrival as a “Holy man from the east came to Dan, bringing with him a scribe, Brugsch, also a beautiful Princess, daughter of a King, (Ingersoll, pp. 20)). This party brought with them several remarkable things about which Ireland’s songs and legends reveal; those things were a harp, (David’s harp), and a wonderful stone—the Stone of Destiny— the Lia Phail. According to many traditions, Jeremiah took the princesses to Spain, where one of them married a Prince of Zarragossa, (from the lineage of Zarah/Judah). With the other Princess he arrived in Ulster sometime later. Irish tradition tells us that Jeremiah married Princess Tamar Telphi, (also referred to as Tea Telphi; she was likely named after her ancestor Tamar, the wife of Judah, who was the mother of Zarah and Pharez), to Eochaidh, the Heremon, or head King of Ireland, after the latter had embraced the worship of the true Jehovah, (YHVH).”...

.....Jeremiah himself died and was buried in Ireland; his grave can still be seen today... Jeremiah was a true Levitical Priest from the tribe of Levi; the true High Priest of Israel wore a breastplate which contained a series of twelve precious stones, one symbolizing each of the twelve tribes of Israel... The stone representing Levi was the Emerald; Jeremiah, of the Emerald tribe of Levi, was the Patron Saint of Ireland, (the first Saint Patrick; care to guess what manner of “snake” he ran out of Ireland?), which is even today recognized as the “Emerald Isle”... Coincidental? Hmmm...

.....Recall above that the House of Israel and the House of Judah had split, one from another; this occurred around 945 B.C., enduring until a reunification under Alfred the great, around 850 A.D.... This was the very beginning of the two sticks of Ezekiel’s prophecy becoming fulfilled in a reunification of the House of Israel with the House of Judah, (see also Jeremiah, 3:18 and Hosea, 1:11); the tribe of Judah was divided also between Judah’s two sons, Zarah and Pharez, (Genesis, 38:27-30), and Zarah’s tribe itself was divided between Zarah’s own two sons, Darda and Calcol, (1Chronicles, 2:6)... Tea Telphi was, herself, of the Pharez lineage, who then married King Eochaidh, (the ancestor of all the Kings and Queens of Scotland); Eochaidh was of the Calcol, Zarah, Judah line, and this marriage reunited the first half of Zarah and Pharez... It was with the marriage of Queen Victoria, (possessor of ancestry back to King David), and Prince Albert that the entire Royal lineage of Judah became reunited with the Darda, Zarah, Judah line; thus, were all of the Kings and Queens of Europe, through Prince Albert, (of the Darda, Judah lineage), fully reunited with the Kings and Queens of Scotland and Ireland through Queen Victoria, (Calcol, Judah lineage), and all of Israel was reunited to the current United Kingdom... these Historical names were not pulled out of thin air, Christian; there was great purpose and Historic significance to the usage of words and names in our past and it is of great edification to learn the translational meanings behind the names given in the Scripture, as it adds a second dimension and emphasis to any given story being brought forth within...

.....This is not to say that this will not find secondary fulfillment at some future date, wherein Israel, with her blindness finally lifted, will fully recognize the prophecy being fulfilled even before her once blind eyes; recall that the greater portion of Israel went from approximately 781 to 712 B.C. without an official King or sanctioned Priest, due to the captivity in Assyria... It was not until the reign of Alfred the Great, approximately 850-900 A.D., the first King of all of England, who wa known as a Godly King, who had established the laws of England upon the predication of The Law of YHVH from Scripture; Alfred had also been responsible for the translation of the Scripture into Anglo-Saxon, (the King’s English), as he had fully recognized that the Anglo-Saxon peoples were the true Israelites of Scripture, just as those with eyes to see and ears to hear are learning right here... I have said repeatedly that the evidence was overwhelming and the scholarship beyond reproach; the Israel of the time period just before Alfred’s day were in their punishment period, where they were appolumi, or, “lost”, (if I recall that spelling correctly), which means “put away, as for punishment”, wherein they had no King to reign,and were blinded to their identity as YHVH’s people... this is another reason for the distinction of this particular time period being known to History as the “dark ages”, indeed, Haberman holds that Latin word Cimmerians, actually means “those in darkness”, due to their “lost tribe” nature...

.....Now; having expounded upon the solemn promise made by YHVH to the people of Israel to have a perpetual King from the tribe of Judah, more specifically, of the Davidic line, to sit on the throne of Israel, can anyone honestly say that the “jews”, who have no King or Queen, (“We have no king but Ceasar!!”), are of the true Scriptural Israel? The Europeans have had the monarchy in perpetuity, always declaring their lineage from King David; indeed, the Scottish Declaration of Indepence itself mentions this lineage... It is no coincidence that Queen Victoria has traced her lineage directly to King David; her very name translates to “oath of YHVH”, (which is a direct reference to the solemn vow from YHVH concerning this throne)... How’s that for some alignment between Scripture and History, (read: His Story), of such profound perfection? I see not how a soul would find this anything less than fascinating to the nth degree; this is how I was drawn into these studies as a result of Historical study... this, inspite of extreme discomfort some years back every time I had stumbled across a reference to the devout nature of the founding fathers of this country; my, how far knowledge can deliver us out of darkness...

.....There has existed a strong rivalry between the House of Judah and the House of Israel that persists to this day; this rivalry had manifested itself yet again in the break of our forebears from the English monarchy in the establishment of this land... even though the two Houses have been since united; another fascinating prophetic utterance is given in Isaiah, 9:21... here we read that Ephraim Israel, (Britain) and Mannaseh Israel, (America), would unite, one to the other for the purpose of fighting Judah Israel, (Germany); sound at all familiar to anyone reading?

.....With the vast amount of information on this subject, I am constantly amazed that, not only is this not widely known at this point, but that people, so conditioned have they become, that they immediately assail the messenger as some manner of vile creature, (I had done so myself in the past), never realizing that by so doing, they are in actual, open, rebellion to The Living God of Israel, YHVH, Father of the Sons of The Living God and Our King and Saviour, Christ Jesus, the Very Lamb of YHVH; let the blindness of my Israel brethren continue to lift that they may realize the wonderful heritage left them by their forebears and throw off the yoke of the antiChrist element that has assaulted our people and left them laden with the false guilt of the lies of them as oppressors, when they have built the civilized world, thereby raising up the standards of the entire world... Yes, we’ve had our share of sinful wicked Kings in our History and yes our people have been as wicked as wicked gets, but that is merely the result of our disobedience and foolish decision to want to have a King reign over us, as the other peoples had; foolishness on steroids when see in retrospect...

.....May as well add this to the mix; within Scripture, one will find many differing methods of prophetic “times”, or, better said, “schedules of events”... one in particular has importance for national Israel; specifically, Israel’s punishment for her national disobedience...

.....In Leviticus, 6:18-28, YHVH pronounced His promise of punishment upon His people for a period of “seven times”; it is significant that seven is the number of “spiritual perfection”, or “completeness” and the astute student will always perk up his ears when encountering this number, (as well as many others that lend emphasis and deeper meaning to any given prophetic utterance)... To determine the length of time this “seven times” period encompasses, one need only allow the Scripture to interpret itself, thereby explaining the terminology used within; in the Book of Revelation, (12:14), the phrase, “a time, times, and half a time” is used... Think of this in terms of “one plus two, plus one-half”, or “three and one-half”; another reference in this same chapter is verse six, which speaks to “one thousand, two hundred and threescore days”, (1,260 days)... yet another in chapter eleven, verse two, wherein we read, “forty and two months”; so how does this all figure?

.....In the Book of Ezekiel, chapter four, verse six, Scripture declares YHVH’s prophetic scale of “one day for one year”; with the figures in mind of “three and one-half times”, “1260 days” and “42 months”, and realizing that the Israel month was thirty days, so forty-two months would equal 1260 days... which, coincidentally is equal to three and one-half years, (three and one-half “times”), so “seven times” would equal 2520 years, or twice that of the “three and one-half times”...

.....Now, above, I had the date of 722 B.C. for the captivity of the northern tribes, which is, essentially, closer to the completion of the captivity; the first campaign against Israel, which led to the Assyrian captivity was approximately 745 B.C.... The punishment pronounced upon Israel was to “cause to cease the Kingdom of the House of Israel”, as demonstrated above from Hosea, 1:4; the destruction of this Kingdom and the deportation of Israel from Canaanland is brought forth in 2Kings, 16-18, (chapters)... 2Kings, 17:6 relates that Shalamaneser, king of Assyria, “took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes”; verse eighteen tells us that the conquest was so complete that “there was none left but the tribe of Judah only”, (the House of Judah)...

.....This complete conquest of the House of Israel took nigh on 25 years to fulfill; so, from 745 B.C., to determine the 2520 years, (days), first allow for the negative 745 years for the B.C. period, which would bring us to 1775... there was no “year zero”, so we would be up to 1776; was there anything eventful that one may recall concerning the year 1776? Hmmm... Let’s then look at Isaiah, 66:7-9; “Before she travailed she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a manchild. Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children, (daughter of Zion). Shall I bring to birth and not cause to bring forth? Saith the Lord: Shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? Saith thy God.”

.....A nation was born in one day; with the Declaration of Independence, we became America... an Israelite nation, regathered, as prophesied, whose very name reveals her Providencial identity...

.....* America: The word “America” means “The Kingdom of Heaven.” Did our school teachers and our Judeo-Christians preachers ever explain to us the true meaning of the word “America?”

.....Wouldn’t it be considerate if we were to be informed as to the true meaning of the name of our beloved homeland? Has the Establishment been hiding something from us relating to our true identity? Corporate public schools (government controlled) teach us that this Continent was named after Amerigo Vespucci. However, these corporate government schools neglect to teach our children the meaning of Amerigo Vespucci’s name. Professor Miskovsky (Oberlin College) brought out some interesting facts about the word “America.” The Latin masculine singular for the word “Amerigo” is “Americus” and the feminine singular is “America.” The old Gothic form for the word “America” is “Amel Ric.” “Amel” means “heaven” and “ric” means “kingdom.” “Amel Ric” is found in the German language as “Emmerich” or “Himmelreich.” Thus “Amel Ric,” “Emmerich,” “Himmelreich,” “Amelukah,” “Amerucah,” and “America” became words for “The Kingdom Of Heaven!” The word “kingdom” means government or governmental jurisdiction. the government of Heaven (from outer space) is to be fully implemented on earth as we are told in the “Lords Prayer.”

.....Strong’s Concordance gives the word “Meluwkah” for “kingdom,” “Amelukah” and “Meluwkah” are related. A professor by the name of Odlum indicates that the letter “l” and “r” are sometimes interchangeable. The Hebrew “Meluwkah” became “Merukah” and “Amelukah” became “Ameruch,” the later being the Latin form of the word “America.” Who is America that she would be blessed above every other nation along with the other Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Celtic and kindred peoples in the world (Isaac’s Sons - Saxon’s) “Christian” nations, today are prophetically carrying out exactly what Israel is supposed to do in the last days...

.....The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. ~ H.L. Mencken...

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02/28/05 05:16 PM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom [ To: Patrick | Post 293414621, reply to 293414006 ] (Score: 1)

Flag to: Patrick, Pokerkidz

Nice one, Patrick.

The only thing I cannot agree with is that Germany is the House of Judah.

The Germans are descended from the Assyrians. Their Knight's Cross is identical to the Assyrian Cross. Remove the SS and you're left with Ayrian, both of which (SS & Ayrian) are very strongly tied with German symbology.

The real Judahites are the Northern Irish & Scots. The Scots came from Northern Ireland. Look at the flag of Ulster (Northern Ireland), and you'll see the Star of David set on the "Red Hand" of Zarah, one of Judah's sons. Eochaidh, who married Tephi, was from the branch of Zarah, whilst Tephi was from the House of Pharez. Both were Judahites. And they healed the "breach" between both branches, fulfilling prophecy.

http://www.jahtruth.net/uflag.htm

And we all know the rivalry that has existed between the Scots and the English (Ephraimites). And the enmity between the Assyrians and the Israelites.

For your information, the Coronation Stone/Jacob's Pillar/Lia Fail/Throne of David, which Shiloh will inherit soon, was removed from Westminster Abbey by Scottish nationalists on Christmas Eve of 1950, thus beginning the fourth and final overturn.

Yes, four. "And it shall be no more overturned UNTIL (4) Shiloh comes, and I will give it to Him".

Shiloh was already here by 1950, which meant that God would not allow anyone to sit upon the Throne with His Son here on earth incarnated once more (Genesis 49 - from THENCE [Ephraim] is THE SHEPHERD, The Corner-Stone of Israel).

http://www.jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm

The Stone is in hiding in Scotland. Its last known whereabouts was in Bonnybridge.

Which, incidentally, has recently become the no. 1 U.F.O hotspot in the world, and was recently "twinned" with Roswell. Remember Jacob's vision/dream of a "ladder" to heaven, and angels ascending and descending it?

I have personally met the person who took the Stone in 1950. They never gave the real One back, and handed a fake to the Windsors. Elizabeth's dad knew this and was very worried it meant the end of the line of Windsor, obviously being aware of what queen Victoria had stated: "The Throne I sit upon is Christ's Throne, and if He came back tomorrow, I'd give it up to Him".

It appears that George wanted nothing to do with the sham of crowning a new monarch upon a fake stone. He conveniently died whilst his daughter Elizabeth was on vacation in Kenya.

Elizabeth had no qualms about being crowned upon a fake, yet she insisted that the stone be covered with a purple curtain during the televised coronation, so no-one would be able to recognize that it was not the real One.

She is a usurper to the Throne, a fraud.

In 1997, this fake stone was given "back" to Scotland, and now sits in Edinburgh Castle. It is inconceivable that the real Lia Fail would be given away like that. They only returned that stone because they knew perfectly well it wasn't the real One.

You'll find good research on the Lia Fail, on this webpage:-

http://www.jahtruth.net/liafail.htm

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more exchange b/t SkyWalker and Patrick

Post#2 » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:04 pm

"The Germans are descended from the Assyrians. Their Knight's Cross is identical
to the Assyrian Cross. Remove the SS and you're left with Ayrian, both of which
(SS & Ayrian) are very strongly tied with German symbology."

Not surprising...

.....Some of Judah went to the Assyrian captivity, as well, you know; it isn't
that they "came from Assyria", per se, but that they were taken captive to
Assyria, and they were those who left... my research isn't discounting that
which you say, but simply puts the bulk of Judah into Germany; we have to
remember that a lot of tribal mixture had occurred by that point... surely
you're aware of the Hindu origin of the "vortex/swastika"? If you could point me
to something definitive that takes the bulk of Judah from Germany, I'll be
appreciative...

"The Stone is in hiding in Scotland. Its last known whereabouts was in Bonnybridge."

hehehe...

.....I was responding to the first portion of your post, before reading the
latter and I had written:

".....I'd read that England never really had the bonafide article, but were
slipped a stand-in; supposedly a great inside joke to Scottish intellectuals..."

.....I'm familiar with your information considering father Jacob's pillar; I had
put all of the above together a couple years ago when jousting with serpents on
another forum, while having more than a couple asking for more, and fighting the
serpents with me without knowing they were snakes...

Pokerkidz
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.....Here’s a bit more from a similar bent, illustrating that the claim today
being exercised as a Scriptural mandate by the antiChrist communist “jews” to
possess the land of Judea/Palestine is fraudulent from the beginning...

.....“Moreover I WILL APPOINT A PLACE FOR MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, and will plant them,
that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the
children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime”, (2 Samuel 7:10; 1
Chronicles 17:9)...

.....God told King David, who was in his house in Jerusalem, that He, Almighty
God, would move His people Israel from Palestine TO THEIR PLACE WHERE HE WOULD
PLANT THEM, THAT THEY WOULD DWELL IN A PLACE OF THEIR OWN... Therefore, we can
see clearly that Palestine was never really their home, it was merely a stopping
place as they moved on westward, following after the east wind to their HOME IN
AMERICA AND THE OTHER CHRISTIAN NATIONS OF THE WEST...

.....The house of God was first located at Shiloh: ...”the house of God was in
Shiloh”, (Judges 18:31)...Then in the Book of Psalms we are told that God
forsook, or left Shiloh: “When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly
abhorred Israel: SO THAT HE FORSOOK THE TABERNACLE OF SHILOH, the tent which he
placed among men”, (Psalm 78:59-60)... So we can clearly see that God in His
wrath left Shiloh, and He would never return there, nor to the tabernacle, which
was located at Shiloh...

.....Therefore, it is amazing that the so-called “judeo-Christian”, (no such
thing), preachers will never allow God to leave Jerusalem; which He clearly said
that He would do.... “But GO YE NOW UNTO MY PLACE WHICH ‘WAS’, (past tense), IN
SHILOH, where I set my name at the first, and SEE WHAT I DID TO IT FOR THE
WICKEDNESS OF MY PEOPLE ISRAEL. And now, because ye have done all these works,
saith the Lord, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard
not; and I called you, but ye answered not; THEREFORE WILL I DO UNTO THIS HOUSE
(the Temple at Jerusalem), which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and
unto the place, (Palestine, Jerusalem and the Temple), which I GAVE TO YOU AND
TO YOUR FATHERS, AS I HAVE DONE TO SHILOH”, (Jeremiah 7:12-14)...

.....The Bible says to provide a double witness to a thing, therefore, for a
second witness: “THEN WILL I MAKE THIS HOUSE ‘LIKE SHILOH’ AND WILL MAKE THIS
CITY, (Jerusalem), A CURSE TO ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH, Jeremiah 26:6, (Can
there be any doubt that Jerusalem is becoming a curse to all the nations, with
the satanic play we see, by those who who, according to Christ are the children
of Satan; there and their plans for world conquest, and their efforts to make
Jerusalem the capital of the world?

.....Those presently in Palestine, (Judea), who are NOT Israelites, but are the
enemies of Almighty God, the Lord Jesus Christ and the True Israelites, so the
priests and the prophets, (false priests and prophets, the “judeo-Christian”,
(no such thing), preachers and prophets of that day and time), and all the
people heard Jeremiah speaking these words in the house of the Lord...

.....Now it came to pass, when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that the
Lord had commanded him to speak unto all the people, that the priests and the
prophets and all the people took him, (SEE HOW THE PRIESTS AND PROPHETS, WHICH
WE CALL PASTORS, MINISTERS, PREACHERS AND ETC., TODAY CAN CONTROL THE PEOPLE AND
CAUSE THEM TO DO THINGS THAT ARE AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD), saying, “Thou shalt
surely die. Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the Lord, saying, This house
shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And
all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the Lord”,
(Jeremiah 26:6-9)...

.....This is very, very clear, and to deny that God would leave Jerusalem and
Palestine is an effort of intellectual dishonesty...

.....We are told: “Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man,
THY BRETHREN, EVEN THY BRETHREN, THE MEN OF THY KINDRED, AND ALL THE HOUSE OF
ISRAEL WHOLLY, (Here it is plain for all to see that the brethren spoken of is
the house of Israel, the True Israelites and not the “Israelis”... That the
imposters to the birthright are telling the True Israelites that Palestine and
Jerusalem is now theirs), are they unto whom THE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM, (the
imposters), have said, Get you far from the Lord; (some say this is better
translated from Strong’s #1168, which means Satan, or Ba’al, who is the “jews”
god; Strong’s actually refers to #3068, Jehovah), unto us, (Edom/imposters), is
this land, (Palestine and Jerusalem), given in possession”, (Ezekiel 11:14-15)...

.....For a second witness: “And THE GLORY OF THE LORD WENT UP FROM THE MIDST OF
THE CITY, AND STOOD UPON THE MOUNTAIN which is on the east side of the city...
Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the spirit of
God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity... So the vision that I had seen went
up from me... Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that the
Lord had shewed me... The Word of the Lord also came unto me, saying, Son of
man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see,
and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious
house... Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove
by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in
their sight... it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious
house... Then shalt thou bring forth thy stuff by day in their sight, as stuff
for removing: and thou shalt go forth at even in their sight, as they that go
forth into captivity... Dig thou through the wall in their sight, and carry out
thereby... In their sight shalt thou bear it upon thy shoulders, and carry it
forth in the twilight: thou shalt cover thy face, that thou see not the ground:
for I have set thee for a sign unto the house of Israel... And I did so as I was
commanded: I brought forth my stuff by day, as stuff for captivity, and in the
even I digged through the wall with mine hand; I brought it forth in the
twilight, and I bare it upon my shoulder in their sight... And in the morning
came The Word of the Lord unto me, saying, Son of man, hath not the house of
Israel, the rebellious house, said unto thee, What doest thou? Say thou unto
them, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; This burden concerneth the prince in Jerusalem,
and all the house of Israel that are among them. Say, I AM YOUR SIGN: LIKE AS I
HAVE DONE, SO SHALL IT BE DONE UNTO THEM: they shall remove and go into
captivity”, (Ezekiel 11:23- Ezekiel 12:11)...

.....Here we have God testifying that He is leaving Jerusalem and will never
return, just as the True Israelites will do... They would be carried into
captivity and their way would be hedged up and they would never return to
Jerusalem or Palestine either. Just as God told them: “Moreover I WILL APPOINT A
PLACE FOR MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, AND WILL PLANT THEM, THAT THEY MAY DWELL IN A PLACE
OF THEIR OWN, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict
them any more, as beforetime.”, (2 Samuel 7:10)... “Also I WILL ORDAIN A PLACE
FOR MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, AND WILL PLANT THEM, AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THEIR PLACE,
and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them
any more, as at the beginning”, (1 Chronicles 17:9)...

.....So it is very clear, that God would remove Israel to another country or
place, not in Palestine and that would be their home, and Palestine and
Jerusalem would be left for the Arabs who are the descendants of Abraham through
his Egyptian wife Hagar, the modern descendents of Ishmael, (remembered of YHVH)...

.....But for some reason the “judeo-Christian”, (no such thing), preachers of
today, completely ignore these verses... Of course, we know the reason they
ignore them is because of their fear of the money-changers, that, and they have
stupidly, (sottish children), accepted a 501(c)3 tax designation that places the
“church” under the control of the federal government...

.....But the Scriptures, clearly show that the fearful and cowardly cannot enter
into God’s Kingdom, (which is why we are unallowed to have fear), so they are,
because of their fear losing their chance to enter therein. “But the fearful,
(those that are afraid, apprehensive, fainthearted, scared, etc.), and
unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth
with fire and brimstone: which is the second death”, (Revelation 21:8-) ...

.....Now for one other witness: “THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BECAUSE THE ENEMY HATH
SAID AGAINST YOU, AHA, EVEN THE ANCIENT HIGH PLACES ARE OURS, (an “enemy”
claiming the high places of ancient Ba’al worship; what have we today?), IN
POSSESSION: Therefore prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God: Because they
have made you, (Palestine and Jerusalem), desolate, and swallowed you up on
every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the heathen, and
ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and are an infamy of the people, (the
“imposters” who without a doubt, and cannot be disputed that they are talkers
and are an infamy to the world): therefore, ye mountains, (nations), of Israel,
hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, and to
the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the
cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the
heathen that are round about; Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the
fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and
against all Idumea, (The Jewish Encyclopedia says that Edom - Idumea, the
descendents of Esau, which is how they are able to claim Abraham as their
father, but admit to being non-Israelites when saying they had never been in
bodage to any man, is in modern Jewry), which have appointed my land into their
possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it
out for a prey”, (Ezekiel 36:2-5)...

.....Now let us turn to America and New Jerusalem... In the Book of Micah we
find he wrote of a PLACE called Zion... “Be in pain, and labour to bring forth,
O daughter of Zion, (Not the “old” Zion in Palestine, but the daughter, A New
Zion), like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and
thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon”, (Micah 4:10)...

.....Now turn to Zechariah where we find: “Deliver thyself, O Zion, that
dwellest with the daughter of Babylon”, (Zechariah 2:7), most Christians who
attend church, or listen to the television evangelist are familiar with the name
Zion... They preach about it; there are songs in the song books about it; and
almost every mention of it is about a beautiful, peaceful and serene place where
anyone, not just Christians would desire to go... But here are two passages of
Scripture where Zion is a place of turmoil and pain; a place that is in need of
being freed or delivered from something CALLED BABYLON, again, funny you are not
taught this from today’s “teachers”...

.....The Clergy of Organized “Religion” has told Christians hundreds of times
over the years that Zion along and New Jerusalem are Bible names for Heaven...
But these teachings become more and more false as we find passages in the
Scripture where it is told that both Zion and New Jerusalem in trouble. Which
presents an interesting question: How could Heaven be in pain, travail or
trouble? Hard to answer...

.....However, all of these Scriptures become clear and more understandable when
one realizes that the names ZION AND NEW JERUSALEM are in actuality the names of
the NATION OF REGATHERED ISRAEL. “And I will make her that halted a remnant, and
her that was cast FAR off ,(Israel), a STRONG NATION: and the Lord, (Jesus
Christ), shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever”,
(Micah 4:7)... Some of the Scripture we will study are about events which have
already taken place; some of them are about events which are happening today;
and some of them are about events which will happen in the future, (another
aspect to “rightly dividing” The word)... Also in previous postings, (since you
said you have read my postings), I have proven to any who are not Spiritually
Blind that AMERICA IS THE “STRONG NATION,” THE NATION OF REGATHERED ISRAEL AND
IS BOTH ZION AND NEW JERUSALEM!

.....So you should begin to see, it is America who has GONE “even to Babylon,”
and “dwellest with the daughter of Babylon”... In other words America has come
under and is even now being controlled by this anti-God, anti-Christ,
anti-Christian world powers, spoken of and known in Scripture as Babylon in both
the Old and New Testaments... This is not to say America is Babylon, but that
she has gone to Babylon... What we see happening in America is exactly what was
written in God’s Holy Word... Now let’s return to Micah: “But in the last days
it shall come to pass, that the mountain, (nation), of the house of the Lord
shall be established in the top of the mountains, (the greatest most powerful
and blessed nation of all the nations), and it shall be exalted above the hills;
and people, (Israel), shall flow unto it”, (Micah 4:1)...

.....Please keep in mind that in Bible prophecy “mount” or “mountain” stands for
a great nation or a great world power; and hills represent lesser or smaller
nations or countries... To demonstrate this turn to Jeremiah where God condemns
the nation of Babylon and He said; “Behold, I am against thee, O destroying
“mountain”, (nation)... and I will... make thee a burnt mountain”, (Jeremiah
51:25)... So here in verse one of Micah chapter four, just as in Isaiah, verse
one, chapter two, we find God saying He will establish the mountain or the
“nation” of the house of the Lord in the top of the mountains or nations...

.....In other words “above” the other nations of the earth. So now you can also
see and understand that whenever we read the term “the house of the Lord” where
it does not mean the actual Temple or the place of worship: IT ALWAYS STANDS FOR
THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, or the people thereof... For they are God’s house, the
people of Israel where God would dwell... “What! know ye not that ye are THE
TEMPLE of God, and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you?” (1 Corinthians
3:16), “for YE ARE THE TEMPLE of the living God”, (2 Corinthians 6:16), “And
many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain,
(nation), of the Lord, (the regathered nation of Israel), and to the house of
the God of Jacob; and he, (Christ), will teach us of his ways, and we will walk
in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, (only here does The Law
carry), and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem”, (Micah 4:1-2)...

.....This is NOT speaking of heaven spoken of so often by the Clergy; but is
obviously of a place on THE EARTH where the people of the world could come and
receive instruction and to be taught the Law and the Word of the Lord... Micah
then goes on to say; “And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong
nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plow shares, and their
spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more (the end of war or the age of peace). But
they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall
make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it. (This
appears to mean the end of oppression and crime upon the earth) For all people
will walk every one in the name of his god, (Here it appears that even while
Christ is on His Throne those people who are outside of Zion and New Jerusalem
will worship gods other than Almighty God), and we will walk in the name of the
Lord our God for ever and ever.. (It sounds like Israel is living in a perfected
kingdom)... In that day, saith the Lord”, (What day? It is obviously in
reference to a day among the last days as spoken of in verse one. Therefore,
from verse six onward this is ALSO something that will come to pass post-seventh
trump, the furthest one out), (Micah 4:3-6)...

.....Turning back again to Micah we have seen that the kingdom would be restored
AFTER Israel had been regathered and made a strong nation, and known as the
Mountain of the Lord, or Zion or Jerusalem. So when we read in Micah Chapter
Four that God would assemble her that halted; gather her that was driven out;
that was cast far off a strong nation, we are reading one of the prophecies
which was fulfilled in the bringing of our Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian,
Celtic and Kindred people to North America; in breaking the ties that bound them
to the old country and constituting them a new nation, in one day, July 4,
1776... (Hmmm...)...

.....The ones who came to America were called a remnant by Micah, or the “turned
ones” we would know them today by their “new name” of Christians, along with all
of the marks of Israel, which find prophetic fulfillment only in caucasian
Israel... Other prophecies tell us that the Israelites who would found Zion and
New Jerusalem would be Christians... Prophecies such as that found in Jeremiah:
“Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I
will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with
knowledge and understanding”, (Jeremiah 3:14-15)... This was fulfilled, in
America, by our Israelite brethren, who, at its beginning, had the promised
Godly Pastors...

.....In Jeremiah Thirty One the “remnant” or “turned ones” are prophesied to be
regathered in Zion. “For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount
Ephraim, (mental note of Ephraim), shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion
unto the Lord our God. For thus saith the Lord; Sing with gladness for Jacob,
and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O
Lord, save thy people, the remnant of Israel. Behold, I will bring them from the
north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the
blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child
together: a great company, (Here we can see that a remnant Can Be and indeed is
A Great Company), shall return thither, (In the next verse is PROOF that Israel
regathered would be believing Christians when they came to Zion). They shall
come with weeping, and with supplications, (to ask for something by earnest
prayer), will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in
a straight way, (in other words He would give them the Word of God in Truth),
wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn”, (Jeremiah 31:6-9)...

.....We also have God’s Word in Isaiah; “Fear not: for I am with thee: I will
bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the
north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my
daughters from the ends of the earth; (and following is who and what they would
be)... Even every one that is called by my name, (Christian): for I have created
him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him”, (Isaiah 43:5-7)...

.....Now we have come to verse 9 in Micah Chapter Four; what do we find? Trouble
and pain. “Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? Is thy
counsellor perished? For pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.” Here is
this Great Zion Nation where Israel has been regathered. It is in existence. It
has been promised a Kingdom. And now the whole complexion of the prophecy
changes to a woman in pain and travail. Verse 10: “Be in pain, and labour to
bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail, (the phraseology would
indicate that something was about to be born): for now shalt thou go forth out
of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to
Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the Lord shall redeem thee from
the hand of thine enemies”...

.....Babylon, here, obviously is an enemy of Israel, because she is promised to
be delivered from “the hand of thine enemies.” In order for Zion to need to be
delivered from her enemies it would necessary for Israel to be in the clutches
and under the control of her enemies; that is the logical interpretation...

.....What does it all mean? It means that sometime after a remnant of believing
Israelites are regathered, and after they have been made into “a strong nation.”
That they will be taken captive by their enemies. Their nation, the Zion of
Bible prophecy would be the captive of Babylon. Zechariah said Zion would dwell
with Babylon and would have to be delivered. Isaiah called Zion “O captive
daughter of Zion”, (Isaiah 52:2)... And here we see that Micah writes quite
plainly that Zion, the great nation of regathered Israel would be taken captive
of something, called in the Bible-Babylon. We have now seen that prophetic Zion
is a nation, one which I claim is America...

.....We know we are in those times and seasons and we are told that all that is
called good will be bad and all that is called bad will be good; ensamples are
countless... We are told that the heathen imposters are “the children of the
book”, when The Christ called them a “den of vipers” and worse; why do we not
believe Him? I know I do, and shall so continue... we are also told to “lift up
thy vice as a trumpet and show Israel her trangession and Jacob his sin”; in
this day, Proverbs said that the wicked shall flee when none pursue, but the
righteous will be as bold as a lion... this boldness of the righteous is often
confused with “arrogance” and similar terms that fail to apply...


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3rd interchange between SW and P

Post#3 » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:08 pm

Patrick (nonconformist)
03/01/05 07:34 AM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom new [ To: Patrick | Post 293415760, reply to 293415157 ] (Score: 1)

.....Here’s a bit more from a similar bent, illustrating that the claim today being exercised as a Scriptural mandate by the antiChrist communist “jews” to possess the land of Judea/Palestine is fraudulent from the beginning...

.....“Moreover I WILL APPOINT A PLACE FOR MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime”, (2 Samuel 7:10; 1 Chronicles 17:9)...

.....God told King David, who was in his house in Jerusalem, that He, Almighty God, would move His people Israel from Palestine TO THEIR PLACE WHERE HE WOULD PLANT THEM, THAT THEY WOULD DWELL IN A PLACE OF THEIR OWN... Therefore, we can see clearly that Palestine was never really their home, it was merely a stopping place as they moved on westward, following after the east wind to their HOME IN AMERICA AND THE OTHER CHRISTIAN NATIONS OF THE WEST...

.....The house of God was first located at Shiloh: ...”the house of God was in Shiloh”, (Judges 18:31)...Then in the Book of Psalms we are told that God forsook, or left Shiloh: “When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel: SO THAT HE FORSOOK THE TABERNACLE OF SHILOH, the tent which he placed among men”, (Psalm 78:59-60)... So we can clearly see that God in His wrath left Shiloh, and He would never return there, nor to the tabernacle, which was located at Shiloh...

.....Therefore, it is amazing that the so-called “judeo-Christian”, (no such thing), preachers will never allow God to leave Jerusalem; which He clearly said that He would do.... “But GO YE NOW UNTO MY PLACE WHICH ‘WAS’, (past tense), IN SHILOH, where I set my name at the first, and SEE WHAT I DID TO IT FOR THE WICKEDNESS OF MY PEOPLE ISRAEL. And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the Lord, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; THEREFORE WILL I DO UNTO THIS HOUSE (the Temple at Jerusalem), which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place, (Palestine, Jerusalem and the Temple), which I GAVE TO YOU AND TO YOUR FATHERS, AS I HAVE DONE TO SHILOH”, (Jeremiah 7:12-14)...

.....The Bible says to provide a double witness to a thing, therefore, for a second witness: “THEN WILL I MAKE THIS HOUSE ‘LIKE SHILOH’ AND WILL MAKE THIS CITY, (Jerusalem), A CURSE TO ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH, Jeremiah 26:6, (Can there be any doubt that Jerusalem is becoming a curse to all the nations, with the satanic play we see, by those who who, according to Christ are the children of Satan; there and their plans for world conquest, and their efforts to make Jerusalem the capital of the world?

.....Those presently in Palestine, (Judea), who are NOT Israelites, but are the enemies of Almighty God, the Lord Jesus Christ and the True Israelites, so the priests and the prophets, (false priests and prophets, the “judeo-Christian”, (no such thing), preachers and prophets of that day and time), and all the people heard Jeremiah speaking these words in the house of the Lord...

.....Now it came to pass, when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that the Lord had commanded him to speak unto all the people, that the priests and the prophets and all the people took him, (SEE HOW THE PRIESTS AND PROPHETS, WHICH WE CALL PASTORS, MINISTERS, PREACHERS AND ETC., TODAY CAN CONTROL THE PEOPLE AND CAUSE THEM TO DO THINGS THAT ARE AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD), saying, “Thou shalt surely die. Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the Lord, saying, This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the Lord”, (Jeremiah 26:6-9)...

.....This is very, very clear, and to deny that God would leave Jerusalem and Palestine is an effort of intellectual dishonesty...

.....We are told: “Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, THY BRETHREN, EVEN THY BRETHREN, THE MEN OF THY KINDRED, AND ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL WHOLLY, (Here it is plain for all to see that the brethren spoken of is the house of Israel, the True Israelites and not the “Israelis”... That the imposters to the birthright are telling the True Israelites that Palestine and Jerusalem is now theirs), are they unto whom THE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM, (the imposters), have said, Get you far from the Lord; (some say this is better translated from Strong’s #1168, which means Satan, or Ba’al, who is the “jews” god; Strong’s actually refers to #3068, Jehovah), unto us, (Edom/imposters), is this land, (Palestine and Jerusalem), given in possession”, (Ezekiel 11:14-15)...

.....For a second witness: “And THE GLORY OF THE LORD WENT UP FROM THE MIDST OF THE CITY, AND STOOD UPON THE MOUNTAIN which is on the east side of the city... Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity... So the vision that I had seen went up from me... Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that the Lord had shewed me... The Word of the Lord also came unto me, saying, Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house... Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight... it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious house... Then shalt thou bring forth thy stuff by day in their sight, as stuff for removing: and thou shalt go forth at even in their sight, as they that go forth into captivity... Dig thou through the wall in their sight, and carry out thereby... In their sight shalt thou bear it upon thy shoulders, and carry it forth in the twilight: thou shalt cover thy face, that thou see not the ground: for I have set thee for a sign unto the house of Israel... And I did so as I was commanded: I brought forth my stuff by day, as stuff for captivity, and in the even I digged through the wall with mine hand; I brought it forth in the twilight, and I bare it upon my shoulder in their sight... And in the morning came The Word of the Lord unto me, saying, Son of man, hath not the house of Israel, the rebellious house, said unto thee, What doest thou? Say thou unto them, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; This burden concerneth the prince in Jerusalem, and all the house of Israel that are among them. Say, I AM YOUR SIGN: LIKE AS I HAVE DONE, SO SHALL IT BE DONE UNTO THEM: they shall remove and go into captivity”, (Ezekiel 11:23- Ezekiel 12:11)...

.....Here we have God testifying that He is leaving Jerusalem and will never return, just as the True Israelites will do... They would be carried into captivity and their way would be hedged up and they would never return to Jerusalem or Palestine either. Just as God told them: “Moreover I WILL APPOINT A PLACE FOR MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, AND WILL PLANT THEM, THAT THEY MAY DWELL IN A PLACE OF THEIR OWN, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.”, (2 Samuel 7:10)... “Also I WILL ORDAIN A PLACE FOR MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, AND WILL PLANT THEM, AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THEIR PLACE, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning”, (1 Chronicles 17:9)...

.....So it is very clear, that God would remove Israel to another country or place, not in Palestine and that would be their home, and Palestine and Jerusalem would be left for the Arabs who are the descendants of Abraham through his Egyptian wife Hagar, the modern descendents of Ishmael, (remembered of YHVH)...

.....But for some reason the “judeo-Christian”, (no such thing), preachers of today, completely ignore these verses... Of course, we know the reason they ignore them is because of their fear of the money-changers, that, and they have stupidly, (sottish children), accepted a 501(c)3 tax designation that places the “church” under the control of the federal government...

.....But the Scriptures, clearly show that the fearful and cowardly cannot enter into God’s Kingdom, (which is why we are unallowed to have fear), so they are, because of their fear losing their chance to enter therein. “But the fearful, (those that are afraid, apprehensive, fainthearted, scared, etc.), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death”, (Revelation 21:8-) ...

.....Now for one other witness: “THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BECAUSE THE ENEMY HATH SAID AGAINST YOU, AHA, EVEN THE ANCIENT HIGH PLACES ARE OURS, (an “enemy” claiming the high places of ancient Ba’al worship; what have we today?), IN POSSESSION: Therefore prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God: Because they have made you, (Palestine and Jerusalem), desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the heathen, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and are an infamy of the people, (the “imposters” who without a doubt, and cannot be disputed that they are talkers and are an infamy to the world): therefore, ye mountains, (nations), of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the heathen that are round about; Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, (The Jewish Encyclopedia says that Edom - Idumea, the descendents of Esau, which is how they are able to claim Abraham as their father, but admit to being non-Israelites when saying they had never been in bodage to any man, is in modern Jewry), which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey”, (Ezekiel 36:2-5)...

.....Now let us turn to America and New Jerusalem... In the Book of Micah we find he wrote of a PLACE called Zion... “Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, (Not the “old” Zion in Palestine, but the daughter, A New Zion), like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon”, (Micah 4:10)...

.....Now turn to Zechariah where we find: “Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon”, (Zechariah 2:7), most Christians who attend church, or listen to the television evangelist are familiar with the name Zion... They preach about it; there are songs in the song books about it; and almost every mention of it is about a beautiful, peaceful and serene place where anyone, not just Christians would desire to go... But here are two passages of Scripture where Zion is a place of turmoil and pain; a place that is in need of being freed or delivered from something CALLED BABYLON, again, funny you are not taught this from today’s “teachers”...

.....The Clergy of Organized “Religion” has told Christians hundreds of times over the years that Zion along and New Jerusalem are Bible names for Heaven... But these teachings become more and more false as we find passages in the Scripture where it is told that both Zion and New Jerusalem in trouble. Which presents an interesting question: How could Heaven be in pain, travail or trouble? Hard to answer...

.....However, all of these Scriptures become clear and more understandable when one realizes that the names ZION AND NEW JERUSALEM are in actuality the names of the NATION OF REGATHERED ISRAEL. “And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast FAR off ,(Israel), a STRONG NATION: and the Lord, (Jesus Christ), shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever”, (Micah 4:7)... Some of the Scripture we will study are about events which have already taken place; some of them are about events which are happening today; and some of them are about events which will happen in the future, (another aspect to “rightly dividing” The word)... Also in previous postings, (since you said you have read my postings), I have proven to any who are not Spiritually Blind that AMERICA IS THE “STRONG NATION,” THE NATION OF REGATHERED ISRAEL AND IS BOTH ZION AND NEW JERUSALEM!

.....So you should begin to see, it is America who has GONE “even to Babylon,” and “dwellest with the daughter of Babylon”... In other words America has come under and is even now being controlled by this anti-God, anti-Christ, anti-Christian world powers, spoken of and known in Scripture as Babylon in both the Old and New Testaments... This is not to say America is Babylon, but that she has gone to Babylon... What we see happening in America is exactly what was written in God’s Holy Word... Now let’s return to Micah: “But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain, (nation), of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, (the greatest most powerful and blessed nation of all the nations), and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people, (Israel), shall flow unto it”, (Micah 4:1)...

.....Please keep in mind that in Bible prophecy “mount” or “mountain” stands for a great nation or a great world power; and hills represent lesser or smaller nations or countries... To demonstrate this turn to Jeremiah where God condemns the nation of Babylon and He said; “Behold, I am against thee, O destroying “mountain”, (nation)... and I will... make thee a burnt mountain”, (Jeremiah 51:25)... So here in verse one of Micah chapter four, just as in Isaiah, verse one, chapter two, we find God saying He will establish the mountain or the “nation” of the house of the Lord in the top of the mountains or nations...

.....In other words “above” the other nations of the earth. So now you can also see and understand that whenever we read the term “the house of the Lord” where it does not mean the actual Temple or the place of worship: IT ALWAYS STANDS FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, or the people thereof... For they are God’s house, the people of Israel where God would dwell... “What! know ye not that ye are THE TEMPLE of God, and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16), “for YE ARE THE TEMPLE of the living God”, (2 Corinthians 6:16), “And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain, (nation), of the Lord, (the regathered nation of Israel), and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he, (Christ), will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, (only here does The Law carry), and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem”, (Micah 4:1-2)...

.....This is NOT speaking of heaven spoken of so often by the Clergy; but is obviously of a place on THE EARTH where the people of the world could come and receive instruction and to be taught the Law and the Word of the Lord... Micah then goes on to say; “And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plow shares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more (the end of war or the age of peace). But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it. (This appears to mean the end of oppression and crime upon the earth) For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, (Here it appears that even while Christ is on His Throne those people who are outside of Zion and New Jerusalem will worship gods other than Almighty God), and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.. (It sounds like Israel is living in a perfected kingdom)... In that day, saith the Lord”, (What day? It is obviously in reference to a day among the last days as spoken of in verse one. Therefore, from verse six onward this is ALSO something that will come to pass post-seventh trump, the furthest one out), (Micah 4:3-6)...

.....Turning back again to Micah we have seen that the kingdom would be restored AFTER Israel had been regathered and made a strong nation, and known as the Mountain of the Lord, or Zion or Jerusalem. So when we read in Micah Chapter Four that God would assemble her that halted; gather her that was driven out; that was cast far off a strong nation, we are reading one of the prophecies which was fulfilled in the bringing of our Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, Celtic and Kindred people to North America; in breaking the ties that bound them to the old country and constituting them a new nation, in one day, July 4, 1776... (Hmmm...)...

.....The ones who came to America were called a remnant by Micah, or the “turned ones” we would know them today by their “new name” of Christians, along with all of the marks of Israel, which find prophetic fulfillment only in caucasian Israel... Other prophecies tell us that the Israelites who would found Zion and New Jerusalem would be Christians... Prophecies such as that found in Jeremiah: “Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding”, (Jeremiah 3:14-15)... This was fulfilled, in America, by our Israelite brethren, who, at its beginning, had the promised Godly Pastors...

.....In Jeremiah Thirty One the “remnant” or “turned ones” are prophesied to be regathered in Zion. “For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim, (mental note of Ephraim), shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God. For thus saith the Lord; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O Lord, save thy people, the remnant of Israel. Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company, (Here we can see that a remnant Can Be and indeed is A Great Company), shall return thither, (In the next verse is PROOF that Israel regathered would be believing Christians when they came to Zion). They shall come with weeping, and with supplications, (to ask for something by earnest prayer), will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, (in other words He would give them the Word of God in Truth), wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn”, (Jeremiah 31:6-9)...

.....We also have God’s Word in Isaiah; “Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; (and following is who and what they would be)... Even every one that is called by my name, (Christian): for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him”, (Isaiah 43:5-7)...

.....Now we have come to verse 9 in Micah Chapter Four; what do we find? Trouble and pain. “Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? Is thy counsellor perished? For pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.” Here is this Great Zion Nation where Israel has been regathered. It is in existence. It has been promised a Kingdom. And now the whole complexion of the prophecy changes to a woman in pain and travail. Verse 10: “Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail, (the phraseology would indicate that something was about to be born): for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the Lord shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies”...

.....Babylon, here, obviously is an enemy of Israel, because she is promised to be delivered from “the hand of thine enemies.” In order for Zion to need to be delivered from her enemies it would necessary for Israel to be in the clutches and under the control of her enemies; that is the logical interpretation...

.....What does it all mean? It means that sometime after a remnant of believing Israelites are regathered, and after they have been made into “a strong nation.” That they will be taken captive by their enemies. Their nation, the Zion of Bible prophecy would be the captive of Babylon. Zechariah said Zion would dwell with Babylon and would have to be delivered. Isaiah called Zion “O captive daughter of Zion”, (Isaiah 52:2)... And here we see that Micah writes quite plainly that Zion, the great nation of regathered Israel would be taken captive of something, called in the Bible-Babylon. We have now seen that prophetic Zion is a nation, one which I claim is America...

.....We know we are in those times and seasons and we are told that all that is called good will be bad and all that is called bad will be good; ensamples are countless... We are told that the heathen imposters are “the children of the book”, when The Christ called them a “den of vipers” and worse; why do we not believe Him? I know I do, and shall so continue... we are also told to “lift up thy vice as a trumpet and show Israel her trangession and Jacob his sin”; in this day, Proverbs said that the wicked shall flee when none pursue, but the righteous will be as bold as a lion... this boldness of the righteous is often confused with “arrogance” and similar terms that fail to apply...

.....The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. ~ H.L. Mencken...

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Patrick
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03/01/05 09:05 AM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom new [ To: FerricWebcaesar | Post 293415892, reply to 293415561 ] (Score: 1)

"Ready to have a go at it?"

.....I'm your huckleberry...

.....The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. ~ H.L. Mencken...

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Skywalker
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03/01/05 12:34 PM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom [ To: Patrick | Post 293416446, reply to 293415157 ] (Score: 1)

Flag to: Patrick, Pokerkidz

Hi Patrick.

"my research isn't discounting that which you say, but simply puts the bulk of Judah into Germany"

Ah, okay. I suppose likewise then. I'm not discounting Judah's presence in Germany either. Of course there has been integration with other Tribes/nations. But wished to point to the fact that the Sceptre/Throne travelled to Ireland to Judahites, not just Israelites (Dan, some of Simeon, etc). And all of Ireland's, Scotland's and England's monarchs since, have been of Judahite stock.

Genesis 49:10
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah [to EPHRAIM], nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto Him shall the gathering of the people be.

Interesting too that the designs on the English and Scottish flags are the Hebrew Aleph and Tau (Alpha and Omega), the vertical/horizontal cross and the diagonal cross.

http://www.jahtruth.net/christfg.htm

"surely you're aware of the Hindu origin of the "vortex/swastika"?"

Yes.

"If you could point me to something definitive that takes the bulk of Judah from Germany, I'll be appreciative..."

Not really, except what I already mentioned about Tephi being accepted by fellow Judahites, who, along with Danites, were ruling all Ireland at the time Jeremiah arrived. That would show there was a "bulk" of them there. I wouldn't know about THE bulk. It's not important anyway (to me) where the bulk was, or wasn't. The prophetic significance is regarding the Throne and prophecy being fulfilled.

The Danites & Judahites fought a civil war in Ireland, Danites retaining the South, Judahites retaining the North. Generally speaking, of course. Then some moved from the North of Ireland to Scotland, as we know.

"".....I'd read that England never really had the bonafide article, but were slipped a stand-in; supposedly a great inside joke to Scottish intellectuals...""

Just to be completely clear, that is not correct. England DID have the bonafide One. But it was taken away from them in 1950. Which is further proof that the Scots (those who were in the know) KNEW England had the real One, and went to the trouble of getting It back.

:-)

The fake weighs a "hundredweight" (a little more than a hundred pounds) less than the original One (which weighs fourhundredweight - 458 lbs), and is a reddish Scottish sandstone, whereas the original One is a blueish porphyry, not native to the British Islands.

The people who took the Stone in 1950, had practiced with the fake, which was the same SIZE and had been crafted for them by a mason called Bertie Gray, before attempting the retrieval. I won't call it theft, because it was appointed by God, and He helped them to do it.

Now, because the fake was made out of sandstone, which is less dense than porphyry, what they didn't know was that the real Lia Fail, weighed 25% more than the fake, even being the same size.

So when they found themselves inside Westminster Abbey, on Christmas Eve, 1950, and the person charged with removing the Stone from under the Coronation Chair, tried to budge It, It wouldn't budge.

And then, as he relates in his book "The Taking of The Stone of Destiny", Ian Hamilton described that: "it was as if the hands of ANGELS were pushing out the Stone, and it fell onto the floor with a loud thud".

And broke in two pieces. Symbolising the end of the reign of Judah and the beginning of the fourth and final overturn.

Later on, when they had to lift the larger part of the Stone into the back of the car (they'd dragged It out on a jacket), he said:-

"I do not remember straining . . . Let the cynics laugh and Archbishops howl "Sacrilege!" but THE HANDS OF GOD WERE OVER MINE when I lifted that Stone.' "

Helping Ian to lift 368 lbs. weight - almost three times Hamilton's own weight of 9 stones 7 lbs. Where he says "I", read "We" - Hamilton and God.

:-)

Patrick, scroll past the Biblical references in the following webpage, if you are already familiar with them, and please read what JAH has put together about the Stone. You'll find it very interesting:-

http://www.jahtruth.co.uk/stone.htm

"I had put all of the above together a couple years ago when jousting with serpents on another forum, while having more than a couple asking for more, and fighting the serpents with me without knowing they were snakes..."

Yes, it is nice when Father arranges for that to happen.

And my apologies, Patrick. I thought you were saying that the Jews were/are the Germans, rather than having a part of them still living amongst the Assyrians.

LLTF,
LLTK.

Danny.

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Skywalker
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03/01/05 12:57 PM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom new [ To: Patrick | Post 293416502, reply to 293415760 ] (Score: 1)

Flag to: Patrick, Pokerkidz

I'm really glad to find someone who knows that Zion and Jerusalem are no longer the same place. It's so hard for people to see and realize isn't it, with all the false doctrine?

Zion = Mt. Zion = Holy Hill of Gathering.

Isaiah 33
16 He shall dwell on high: His place of defence shall be the Fortress of rock *: bread shall be given Him; His waters shall be sure.
17 Thine eyes shall see the King in His beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off (Jerusalem).
18 Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver? where is he that counted the towers?
19 Thou shalt NOT see a fierce people, [but] a people of a deeper speech (the Truth) than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand.

* http://www.jahtruth.net/gibralta.htm

The area where the airport of Gibraltar lies in, is called the "Four Corners". Gibraltar is the Strait-Gate (the physical one). The Crossroads.

It's His Rock. Greetings from Mt. Zion.

:-)

LLTF,
LLTK.

Danny.

p.s. Every Judeo-Christian should read Ezekiel 11:14-15. It CANNOT be any clearer than that. But The Master went ahead and removed all doubt (Revelation 2:9/3:9).

"... I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.......behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

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Patrick
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03/01/05 01:49 PM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom new [ To: Skywalker | Post 293416730, reply to 293416502 ] (Score: 1)

.....You may appreicaite this...

http://www.giveshare.org/israel/judah/

.....The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. ~ H.L. Mencken...

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Skywalker
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03/01/05 02:16 PM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom new [ To: Patrick | Post 293416825, reply to 293416730 ] (Score: 1)

Thank you, will have a look.

LLTF,
LLTK.

Danny.

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Patrick
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03/01/05 02:17 PM
Re: Carbon dating backs Bible on Edom new [ To: Skywalker | Post 293416827, reply to 293416825 ] (Score: 1)

”And my apologies, Patrick.’

.....None necessary, my Friend...

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Day four

Post#4 » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:03 am

Skywalker

Flag to: pokerkidz, Patrick

You're welcome PK.

Will let you know about that other thing we spoke about, when I know.

I've been having a look, and a think, about that list I was going to produce for you, but then I learnt it was specifically info about the migration through Assyria, you were looking for. And there's not a great deal on that on JAH's website.

But here are some unique bits of info regarding the whole Tribes issue, mostly clues which still exist today that point to Israel's identity. Some I've included because I thought you might be interested, but most of them, if not all, have a lot to do with the Tribes. A brief description of each is below the webpage link. Have felt like commenting in some places too:-

http://www.jahtruth.net/joarim.htm

(Vatican confirmation - 4 times - that the first "Christian" Church was the Brit-ish Church, which had been started by Joseph of Arimathea and possibly even before him by Christ Himself during the time He vanished from the Middle East.)


http://www.jahtruth.net/britmon.htm

(The TRUTH about the British Monarchy; the "Golden Jubilee" - 50 year reign - of the queen who never was)


http://www.jahtruth.net/glaston.htm

(Historical records of the Brit-ish Church founded at Glastonbury... Gildas the Wise (born Strathclyde c. 493 – died 570 A.D.),who reportedly spent some years at Glastonbury Abbey states:
"These islands received the beams of light - that is, the holy precepts of Christ - the true Sun, as we know, at the latter part of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, in whose time this religion was propagated without impediment and death threatened to those who interfered with its professors." - "De Excidio Britanniae" ("The Ruin and Conquest of Britain" probably written between 516 and 547; c. 540) (Matthews, p. 87) As Tiberius Caesar died in 37 A.D., this reference places Christianity in Britain during the life of Jesus.)

Danny's comment - "The Kingdom shall be taken from you and given to a nation BRINGING FORTH the fruits thereof." - The Master, Jesus The Christ. "Bringing forth" is in the PRESENT not past or future tense. The Master spent 3 and a half years in Britain on His mission, with one House of Israel, before completing the other 3 and a half years with the other House of Israel - Judah. The Master knew He and His teachings had already been accepted in Britain and were therefore bringing forth fruit. It is no wonder then, that Mary and Joseph of Arimathea would later on seek refuge in Britain.

"He shall fulfill His mission for a week.....and in the middle of the week He shall be cut off". So it says in Daniel. It is IMPOSSIBLE to fulfill His mission for a "week" (seven years) and be "cut off" in the middle of it (without fulfilling it). The only way this makes sense is if the second "week" refers to a Wednesday. And because His mission only lasted 3 and a half years in Palestine/Israel, He had to have already fulfilled 3 and a half years previously somewhere else... which ties in again with what The Master said about giving the Kingdom to a nation bringing forth the fruits...
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http://www.jahtruth.net/arkmovie.htm

(Movie about The Ark of The Covenant... In "The Truth about The Ark of The Covenant", false claims, that The Ark was taken to Ethiopia during the time of Solomon and Menelik, are shown to be false. The Bible itself states that The Ark was still in Jerusalem c. 400 years after the time of Solomon and Menelik.... The Knights Templar also claim to possess The Ark, in Rosslyn Chapel, Scotland. In the movie we are shown that the Templars went to Ethiopia to search for The Ark, after first searching for it in Jerusalem. They did not find it there either, because the Ethiopian claim is untrue, as is proved by The Bible. If they found it in Jerusalem, as they falsely claim today, why did they then go to Ethiopia to look for it?... Finally the movie shows how Jeremiah the Bible Prophet was commissioned by God, to remove The Ark to a place of safety, and by watching the film you will find out the details, carved in stone, showing that he took it to Inis Fail (the Isle of Destiny) - Ireland. )


http://www.jahtruth.net/stonehge.htm

(The TRUTH about Stonehenge... makes perfect sense, finally... The Sabbatical Calendar system, being built-into Britain's country-side, is another one of the many clues that proves that the British peoples are Israel; and just cannot be completely hidden away, by the "System's" hierarchy, who wish to hide the Truth from the sheeple, in order to control and enslave them, with their illegal (under God's Perfect Laws of Liberty) and Satanic legislation, which is designed to make themselves (the rich) richer and everyone else poor and slaves to them.... When the British peoples of the world (Britain; The Commonwealth; USA; etc.) find the Truth, that they are all the literal descendants of God's servant Nation, Israel, who were given The Perfectly Just Legal System by The Ruler of The Universe, that ensures total freedom and prosperity for all, and in which any alteration or legislation is strictly prohibited and punishable by death; they then have all the ammunition that they need, to fight and win the class-war and win back their, and the rest of the world's, freedom from the oppression and injustice, that the whole world is presently suffereing from, under the unjust legislation that the hierarchy of the New World Order is using to deceive and enslave them all..... ONLY the TRUTH can set you free..... Fighting, using the Truth, to have God's Laws and Judgments reinstated as the only Law on Planet Earth, is the ONLY WAY to defeat the New World Order and Unite the whole world in Peace, as One; as it is God's Way and His Will, and therefore He WILL be 100% with you, guiding you every step of The Way and helping you to fight and win, to bring True Freedom and Justice for All and an end to these dark times of oppression; injustice and dearth..... And then, when we have found True Peace and Unity on Planet Earth, we can then progress into the realms of real learning and real technology and accelerate towards becoming One with the rest of The Universe...


http://www.jahtruth.net/stonemov.htm

(Movie - "The Truth about the Coronation Stone" - This movie proves that an elaborate and extremely dangerous hoax concerning The Stone of Destiny; which (the hoax) has dire consequences for the British people; has been perpetrated on the British people by the House of Mountbatten..... It is compiled from selected and corrected footage from "The Coronation Stone" by W. H. D. Freeman; the "Stone of Destiny" by E. Raymond Capt and JAH's research.)


http://www.jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm

(The full explanation of Joseph's dream concerning his brother's sheaves of corn bowing down to his, and Christ's Second Coming, ties in with the Tribes' migration too)


http://www.jahtruth.net/abraham.htm

(the full Abrahamic Covenant, with map showing Israelite migration and comment on who each of the Tribes are today, under new identities)


http://www.jahtruth.net/marguide.htm

("THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY - MARRIAGE GUIDANCE" by D. P. Grafton, explaining all the details of Israel's relationship with God, as His "wife", and why she was put away and given a new name)


http://www.jahtruth.net/fightfor.htm

("THE FIGHT FOR THE KINGDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL" by R. Llewelyn Williams... simply put, a MUST read, describing the origin of the conspiracy which today calls itself the "New World Order")


http://www.jahtruth.net/mastplan.htm

("THE MASTER’S PLAN" by Albion S. Gaunt... again, another MUST read....contents:-

1. The Master’s Plan

2. The Background of the Plan

3. The Plan Launched

4. The Plan in Operation

5. The Plan and its Principles

6. The Plan Attacked

7. The Plan and the Gentiles

8. The Plan and the Throne

9. The Plan and Redemption

10. The Plan and the Community

11. The Plan and these Troublous Times

12. The Plan and the Second Coming of Christ

13. The Plan Realised

14. What Does all This Mean to You? )


http://www.jahtruth.net/britspan.htm

("Gibraltar - British or Spanish?" by JAH....proof that Gibraltar is an Israelite colony and why it must remain so and not become part of Spain...in order that prophecy concerning the Second-Coming be fulfilled)


http://www.jahtruth.net/gibfg.htm

(The Keys to the Kingdom are on Gibraltar's flag. With the Kingdom of Heaven, represented as a Castle, floating above the earth extending the Keys down to it.)


http://www.jahtruth.net/tephisum.htm

(The brief, but not so brief! Story of Tephi, describing her voyage with Jeremiah, the Coronation Stone & The Ark of The Covenant to Ireland.... this was put together by a friend of mine who had access to the original and entire "Book of Tephi", which should really be part of every Bible)


http://www.jahtruth.net/horse.htm

("The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and the TWO WITNESSES, who are they? read on...)


http://www.jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm

(The Invasion of Kuwait, in prophecy... true Israel involved and unharmed exactly as prophecied)


http://www.jahtruth.net/amerca.htm

(The Meaning of the Heraldic Symbolism of the American Coat-of-Arms and the Presidential Seal.)


http://www.jahtruth.net/britca.htm

(The Heraldic Symbolism of the Unicorn and the Lion on the British Coat-of-Arms, and more...)


http://www.jahtruth.net/christfg.htm

(Christ's flag)


http://www.jahtruth.net/uflag.htm

(The Ulster, or Northern Ireland, flag)


http://www.jahtruth.net/ausnz.htm

(The Australian and New Zealand Flags)


http://www.jahtruth.net/celtisr.htm

(The Celts are Israelites Under Another Name.....The word Celt is the Anglicised form of the Greek word Keltoi, which means "the people who are different.*" In Scripture, all nations, except the Twelve Tribes of Israel, are referred to as Gentiles (Foreigners), so the only people who are different are Israel....)


Hope you find something you can use there, PK, if not for this album you're working on, the next, God-willing.

In the last days, all Israel shall remember who she is. But only when she is surrounded by "fire" and danger on every side. We know that people who are striving to let people know about Israel's true identity are close to The Way. And are on the right track.

LLTF,
LLTK.

Danny.

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