Ishmael, Edom, Israel and the 9/11 Terror Attack

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Ishmael, Edom, Israel and the 9/11 Terror Attack

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Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor

September 11, 2004

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controversial hypothesis concerning "the consequences of (ethnic)

Ishmael, Edom, Israel and the 9/11 Terror Attack

by Ted R. Weiland,edom,israel.html

The world is still reeling from the effects of the September 11, 2001,
attack upon America by way of the Pentagon in Washington D.C. and the
World Trade Center Towers in New York City. Much has already been
written and much more will yet be heard about these heinous acts of
terrorism. However, next to nothing has been said about the identity and
millennia-long history of those involved in these events.

The reason for this is found in the fact that few people today know the
identity, that is, the biblical identity of today's Arabs, Jews and
Anglo-Americans. Furthermore, most people are unaware that the identity
of all three groups are intertwined and have been since the times of
biblical antiquity. Moreover, few people know that the basis for what
occurred on September 11 is found in the religious rivalries of Islam,
Judaism and Christianity. Who are these players and what role do they
play upon the world stage?

The Arabs

We have been told by government and mainline media sources that Arab
factions were involved in this attack upon America. But who are today's
Arabs? Where did they come from? And why do they hate America so much
that they have labeled it "the head of the serpent" and "the Great

From Genesis 12 forward, the Bible is the story of Abraham and his
descendants. The Arab people, although darkened over the centuries from
mixing with darker races, are originally descended from Abraham. Under
the heading "Ishmael," The Funk & Wagnalls New Encyclopedia points to
this Abrahamic connection:

"Ishmael: In the Old Testament, the elder son of the Hebrew patriarch
Abraham and the reputed ancestor of a group of Arabian tribes. The
region occupied by these Ishmaelites included most of central and
northern Arabia. Muslims regard themselves as the descendants of
Ishmael." Source: "Ishmael," The Funk & Wagnalls New Encyclopedia (New
York, NY: Funk & Wagnalls, Inc., 1972) Vol. 13, p. 461.

Under the heading "ISHMAELITE," The Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary
confirms this genetic link with Abraham: "ISHMAELITE a descendant of
Ishmael, the son of Abraham and Hagar. The 12 sons of Ishmael, and his
Egyptian wife, became princes and progenitors of as many tribes. All
Arabs, following Mohammed's example, claim descent from Ishmael."
Source: "ISHMAELITE," The Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary (Grand
Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 1963) p. 387.

Under the heading "ISHMAELITES," The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
further establishes this same biblical connection: "ISHMAELITES, a
people frequently mentioned in the Bible, for example in Gen. 37:25 and
Judges 8:24; they were Arab nomads who traded with Egypt. According to
Gen. 25:12-18, the Ishmaelites (like the Israelites) were divided into
twelve tribes and pitched their tents in Northern Arabia as far as the
borders of Egypt and Assyria. The Arabs themselves derive their descent
from Ishmael." Source: "ISHMAELITES," The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
(New York, NY: The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Inc., 1941) Vol. 5,
pp. 609-610.

As the biblical story goes, Abraham had another son, Isaac, by his wife
Sarah. Therefore, although only a half brother to Isaac, Ishmael would
have been the uncle of Esau and Jacob, Isaac's twin sons. Hence,
Ishmael's descendants, the Arabs, are also related to Esau's and Jacob's
descendants, the Edomites and the Israelites.

The Edomites

Genesis 25 records that Rebekah bore Isaac paternal twin sons, Esau,
whose name was changed to Edom, and Jacob, whose name was changed to
Israel. While still in the womb the two sons of Isaac "struggled
together within her." Yahweh explained this rivalry to Rebekah: Two
nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated
from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other
people; and the elder [Esau] shall serve the younger [Jacob]. (Genesis

Soon after the two boys had grown, this promise began to find its
fulfillment. Genesis 25 relates that Esau sold his birthright to Jacob
for a bowl of red beans. Genesis 27 relates that the patriarchal
blessing also became the possession of Jacob. As a result of the
subsequent bitterness and jealousy, Esau would have destroyed Jacob had
Yahweh not intervened.

The struggle of nations, which began in Rebekah's womb, continued as
these two boys grew to manhood, and it endures today in their modern-day
descendants. Ezekiel 35:5 and Amos 1:11 speak of the Edomites'
"perpetual hatred" and "wrath forever" toward Israelites. But "who is
who" in this continuing struggle? It is recorded in Genesis 36 that Esau
is Edom and that he was the father of the Edomites. However, most people
do not know who the Edomites became. The following four witnesses, all
of them Jewish, testify to the Edomites' new identity: in the days of
John Hyrcanus (end of the second century B.C.E.) the [non-Israelite]
Edomites became a section of the Jewish people. "EDOM," Encyclopaedia
Judaica (Jerusalem, Israel: Encyclopaedia Judaica Company, 1971) Vol. 6,
p. 378

They [the non-Israelite Edomites] were then incorporated with the Jewish
nation. "EDOM, IDUMEA," The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York & London: Funk
and Wagnalls Company, 1904) Vol. V, p. 41

from then on they [the non-Israelite Edomites] constituted a part of the
Jewish people, Herod [King of Judea] being one of their descendants.
"EDOM (Idumea)," The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (Garden City, NY:
Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1977) p. 589

They [the Edomites] were hereafter no other than [non-Israelite] Jews.
Flavius Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews (Grand Rapids, MI: Dregel
Publications, 1960) Book XIII, Chapter IX, Verse 1, p. 279

It was the progeny of these same "Jews" who, by way of interbreeding,
became part of the Khazar kingdom, and who, between the seventh and
ninth centuries AD, adopted the religion of Judaism. According to the
previously cited Jewish encyclopedias, it was these Khazar Jews who were
the progenitors of the vast majority of today's Jewish people, including
today's Zionist Jews who spuriously claim right to the land of Israel,
including that which was previously owned and controlled by the
Palestinian Arabs. Consequently, the majority of today's Jewish people
are known as "Jews" not because they are descended from Jacob/Israel but
rather because their Edomite/Khazar progenitors adopted the religion of
Judaism. The authors of The Jewish Almanac (1980) obviously recognized
that today's Jews are rarely genetic Israelites. The first chapter is
entitled "IDENTITY CRISIS." The first sentence succinctly admits to this
anthropological fact:

"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a 'Jew'
or to call a contemporary Jew an 'Israelite' or a 'Hebrew.' Source:
"IDENTITY CRISIS," The Jewish Almanac , compiled and edited by Richard
Siegel and Carl Rheins (New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1980) p. 3.

This fact is confirmed by several other Jewish sources such as The
Jewish Encyclopedia (1905), The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1941),
the Encyclopaedia Judaica (1971), The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia
(1977), as well as individual Jewish authors such as Nathan M. Pollock,
Professor of Medieval Jewish History in Tel Aviv; Bernard Lazare, Robert
Quillan, Dr. Benjamin Freedman, Arthur Koestler, James Yaffe, Paul Meyer
and many more.

The Israelites

If today's Jews are non-Israelites, then who exactly are today's genetic
Israelites? The Israelites have not gone out of existence as some people
teach. If they have, then Yahweh is not true to His Word because He
promised that they would never cease as a nation before him:

Thus saith Yahweh, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the
ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which
divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar. If those ordinances depart
from before me, saith Yahweh, then the seed of Israel also shall cease
from being a nation before me for ever. If heaven above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast
off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Yahweh.
(Jeremiah 31:35-37)

Although most contemporary Israelites are oblivious to their own
identity, Yahweh has not forgotten who they are:

O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen thou art my servant:
I have formed thee. O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. (Isaiah

It is impossible for Yahweh to forget Israel or He could never fulfill
His Word as found, for example, in Jeremiah 31:

Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh, that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to
the [Mosaic] covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I
took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my
covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith Yahweh.
(Jeremiah 31:31-32).

Of course Yahweh's Word is always faithfully fulfilled, and thus, just
as He promised, it has been Israelites with whom the New Covenant has
been made. Take a globe and draw circles around the landmasses wherein
true Christianity has flourished, and you will find that your circles
encompass those nations primarily comprised of Celtic, Germanic,
Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxon and kindred peoples. Either these peoples
comprise Israel or Yahweh has not been true to His word, and He has
established His New Covenant with someone other than those to whom He
promised the New Covenant. Yahweh was and still is true to His word, and
it has been the Celto-Saxon peoples who, in accordance with Jeremiah's
prophecy, have most readily embraced the New Covenant religion of
Christianity. They above all peoples have been most responsive to
Yahshua's call of salvation over the last two-thousand years. In fact,
the other nations would be oblivious to Christianity had it not been for
the Celto-Saxons' proliferation of the New Covenant message.

This mark of the Israelites alone unequivocally identifies today's
Israelites. However, not only do the Celto-Saxon peoples fulfill the
marks of Israel as described in Jeremiah 31; they likewise fulfill all
of the biblical marks of Israel.* Moreover, archaeology and history
verify this genetic link between the biblical Israelites and the
Celto-Saxon peoples.** Therefore, it is today's Celto-Saxons, not
today's Khazar Jews, who are today's true Israelites.

The Consequences of Misidentification

The United States supports the spurious State of Israel in Palestine to
the tune of about $4 billion dollars per year. It has not been lost on
the Arab nations that the State of Israel could not exist and could not
be stealing their land if it were not for the United States' assistance.
Therefore, the September 11 attack upon America is connected to the
Zionist conquest of Arab lands and the murder of Arab lives, which are
unfortunately financed by American tax dollars under the guise that
today's Jews are Israelites. In other words, this terrorist incident is,
at its core, unequivocally linked with the question: "Who are today's
true Israelites?" It also reveals just how important the answer to this
question should be to our families, our friends and to each of us
individually. I forewarned of the potential possibility of such a
conflict or war with Arab nations in the booklet Israel's Identity: It
Matters! published in December 2000.

Because America has misidentified Israel and consequently backed the
Zionist movement, many in the Arab world have become the avowed enemies
of both Israelis and Americans alike. As described in The Jewish Almanac
, we, indeed, have an identity crisis as it concerns those involved in
the events of September 11. And we will continue to have this crisis and
the horrific consequences that accompany these cases of
misidentification until we figure out "who is who" as it pertains to
Ishmael, Edom and Israel.


Evangelist Weiland is the preeminent scholar of the Christian Israel
theory. He may be reached at PO Box 248, Scottsbluff, Nebraska 69363.

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Post#2 » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:01 am

Greetings, all. Great site, Pokerkid! Excellent post.

If A=B and B=C, then A=C

Bible prophecy can be quite clear.

1) In the Bible, Edom equals the house of Esau. "Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom." Genesis 36:1
"Thus dwelt Esau in Mount Seir: Esau is Edom," Genesis 36:8
"These are the sons of Esau, who is Edom," Genesis 36:43

2) "Edom is in modern Jewry."
The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, page 41.

3) "And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall NOT BE ANY REMAINING OF THE HOUSE OF ESAU; FOR YHVH HATH SPOKEN IT." Obadiah 18
"And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHVH's." Obadiah 21
"And I will lay my vengence upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to My fury; and they shall know my vengence, saith YHVH God." Ezekiel 25:14


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