Old Maps - Phoenicians now US Indians...Sodom/Gomorah found?

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Old Maps - Phoenicians now US Indians...Sodom/Gomorah found?

Post#1 » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:39 am

This site doesn't give me individual addresses for each page, so, pasting the relevant info below. The site in general is fascinating. It focuses on maps of the world prior to Columbus reaching America. I haven't even begun to scrath the surface of this one. I do remember seeing a reference to the location of Biblical Sodom, but, skipped over it until this page about Indians caught my attention. Also, theorizes the origin of the word "Yankee."



In maps east of the lands of Labrador the reading "Land of the Red Jews" appears. This expression deserves to be analyzed. Cananeo means red skin man, reason why Greeks baptized them Phoenix (red), that is where the name Phoenicians derives from and the Egyptians called them The Red. None of these terms were used to denominate Moses' town that Canaan conquered, we can deduce then that the Red Jewish term is surely very antique, that shows that the cartela of the maps refers to those "Red Men. Cananeos, Phoenix (Phoenicians)".
In the times of conquering for Englishmen and French, these lands were known as Lands of Abraham. Suggestively it's in the East of the North American Territory where for the first time they called the natives "Red Skins" being then extensive to the Far West, because they also were.
..... These lands are represented in other precolumbus maps as El Edrisi 1154, Al Wardi 1349, Martellus 1489 or M. Behaim 1492 denominated as "Judei Clausi". Lands they felt belonging to the extreme north region, to the east of Siberia, but that in fact as it is demonstrated in the old cartography, they are parts of America fused with Asia.
..... Several theories exist on the origin of the mysterious word "Yankee" with which the North Americans are denominated and although the Southern don't like it, at the moment it's used in the entire world to denominate them all.
..... According to the British Encyclopedia, this word is of unknown origin and gives us several meanings and in one it says that possibly is a drift from the Dutch Janke that is diminutive of Juan.
In another explanation it says that it was used in the independence war in 1775 by the British soldiers as a pejorative term applied to the patriots.
..... It is believed that others say that a native tribe of Massachussets, called Yankos or Yanque, were defeated by others from New England taking these their names that means invincible.
We can say that these explanations maraud the truth but they don't explain neither they clarify anything.
Some say that possibly Yanke drift from Jacob (Yacob)?
..... Others affirm that its origin should be looked for in Russia, and that it would be of Tartar origin.
..... I believe to be under conditions to say that this word "Yankee" derives of the word "Yanke" that is of Cananeo or Tartar origin, and that it's a natives' denomination of the northeast of USA, the Red Jews of Abraham's Lands. That is the reason why the Englishmen used it as a pejorative term not to denominate the natives but the Europeans or descendents which were considered rebellious and traitors of the English Crown. In a few words, to reject them, they called them Indians, using their name as an insult.
..... In the secession war the troops or common soldiers were formed partly in North as in South by natives assimilated by the conquest or allied tribes to different decrees. This is the reason why when the southern troops saw and recognized the natives of the north in their blue uniforms and knowing who they were, said " here comes the Yanques, or Yankees" calling this way all the troops of the Union, because of their blue uniforms, and then when these won the war it was applied to the whole Union.
Although the term Yanke has become well-known in North America it's not exclusive of that region, it also exists in South America, in the Patagonia like an indigenous denomination. As the case of the Yanke-truz tribe or Yanke-lemus cacique or Yanke-nao Hill, etc.
..... Another term that is believed of mysterious origin is "Che" that is also a patrimony of North American natives although it is well-known through the South American native. The Argentineans are called "Che" as the Americans are called "Yankees."
..... As much in the north as in the south the Che is part of the name of many aboriginal tribes: in the north or Apache, Cherokees, Comanches, Creeckche, Cheyenes, etc., and in the south Mapuches, Teuelche, Rinculche, Chuelche etc.
..... The term "Che" means town, nation, people, and it's of a Tartar-Mongolian origin and we find it in well-known names as Chechenia or Chernobil etc., also the term Chaman that we can find in all America is of the same origin.
..... Actually there are names that are of Cananeo-Jewish origin as the case of Yankelevich that means the invincible children or people of Levi and I don't believe that in this case, Yanke is applied as diminutive, since it's interpreted that it's not Yankele - vich but Yanke-levi-ch.
..... The legends of the Navajos native community of the central part of North America not only demonstrate their knowledge of the Pacific Ocean but rather they narrate the migration that their people carried out towards the east from their natural land in the west crossing the North Pacific. In this old map we can appreciate the origin and meaning of the name Navajos, the legend that "Nabathea in Hebrew Nabajoth" prays what is translated as "Nabatea that is Navajo in Hebrew". When words are transmitted orally from a Idiom, Language or Dialect to another, and they aren't translated they usually suffer phonetic deformations, result of different pronunciation ways.

Antique English anonymous map of the patriarch's land

.....It still remains among the Navajos, and among the inhabitants of the Himalaya region, especially the Tibetan, and also in the south of India, a common ritual habit, spilling color powders carefully to form drawings (Mandalas) that are destroyed after being finished or erased with their hands so that the energy of these representations is absorbed again by the earth.

Hopis or Navajos Aborigines (left) and Lamas priests (right) carrying out Mandalas with color powder

.....We find that some North American aborigine tribes practiced the same funeral ritual that the Mitraismo Asian Magicians did, leaving the cadavers outdoors on high platforms, called since then "Torres de silencio."
..... The belief of many of North American aboriginal towns in Great Spirit, is the same one of the Magicians in Mainyú (Spenta Mainyú creative and beneficent spirit, Angra Mainyú bad spirit). The Mainyun Great Spirit of the Cheyenes is a form of corruption of Mainyú of the Zoroastrismo, character that is identified as one of the Magicians of Persia. Also we can say that the Creative Spirit, Manitou of the Algonquinas tribes is also another corrupted way of Mainyú of the Zoroastrismo.

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Post#2 » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:51 am

Found the page citing Sodom & Gommorrah's location as well as a potential confirmation of Noah's Ark????


It's admirable that in these maps "Troya" is perfectly located. A mythical city thought invented by Homero and was rediscovered in 1868 by Heinrich Schliemann.
The existence of the monumental "Petra" was ignored and was lost in times of these maps and was discovered centuries after these maps were made in 1812.
...... Also in the right place, at the southeast bank of the Dead Sea, the biblical "Sodoma" is located. In 1924 the ruins of the population Bab Edh Dhra were discovered, lately in that region the ruins of another population called Numeira have been discovered (and dug in 1975), but investigations and dateline studies carried out recently, they presume to be the Biblical Sodoma and Gomorra (the information is reserved and to confirm).
..... With an illustration that represents a ship in the mountains, we have the legend "Dy Arch Noe in Armenia auf dem perg Ararat" that means "Persia Ararat Mounts where the Arch of Noe can be found."

Map Pertotum Circulum 1440, Europe and Siberia sector. (Click to enlarge the image)

.....It would be important to investigate the true origin of these maps that denote antiquity knowledge of toponymy, and where we notice the absence of toponymy of places already very well-known and considered very important for the time in that they were drawn, that demonstrates that they derive from an older geography or maps, as the case of the Ptolemy maps that were drawn in the XIII century, from an older geography.
..... In these maps there is surely registered data of old places, which are still ignored.
..... The discovery of America in these maps shows us a single answer: Our known History suffers enormous errors, and it also fills us with a lot of questions, most of them possibly still don't have any answer, and puts us on a long and new course.
..... To face this situation we must begin a deep and serious historical and archaeological revisionism, sometimes keeping in mind the diffusiveness, so long and mistakenly attacked and denied, sometimes by mistake, ignorance or indecency, as the only possible way to learn the knowledge of "TRUE UNIVERSAL HISTORY."
c There's no doubt that these maps requires a deeper study, especially regarding their toponymy, since they don't agree with Ptolemy's maps. But in the mentioned cases it agrees with reality.
..... A mysterious German Brotherhood. This region doesn't match today's Germany. Looking at old maps I can't ignore that the authors of some of the maps in history before Christopher Columbus were influenced by the Germans, Martin Waldseemüller, Martin Behaim, Henricus Martellus Germanus, Donnus Nicolaus Germanus, Andreas Walsperger, I also include the anonymous authors of the maps Nova Cosmography 1440 and the map of the Stiftsbibliothek of Zeitz 1470 from the same origin. All these characters belonged to the Church or close to it. In times in that the great schism was gestated they suffered this, during Martin Luther's Reformation. Will this gestation of Church's Reformation influence on the knowledge managed by the Germans?
..... It can't be avoid thinking how and from where these German monks acquired these old and mysterious knowledge, those that categorically aren't from Ptolemy's origin, we don't know what happened with the used documents, most of them maps or geography, to carry out these works and we only have left to wonder if the same are lost in some bookcase, in the library of some monastery, hoping that someone removes their powder, and discover them to puzzle out their secrets. If these Germans had so much geographical knowledge why weren't they the discoverers of America? We'll possibly never know it.
..... Of the four well-known Indies from antiquity: "India of the Indo", "India of the Ganges", "extra India Ganges" and "Oriental Indies", these are the ones that it was believed they were at the extreme end east of Asia and that in fact, they are America, and they were those that motivated Christopher Columbus trips. Although as for Columbus as for all the conquerors these Indies were Western because from Europe they found them navigating towards west.
.....These Oriental Indies (or Southern) appear in all antique maps like an extension of China towards the south called "The Tail of the Dragon". From the Eratóstenes III century before Christ map, Pomponio Mela and Ptolemy, I century of our era, Martellus, Nicolás Germanus, until 1492 Martin Behaim's Globe. From this date on a confused cartographic situation takes place.
The new maps of the discovery appear with two Americas: "Oriental Indies" together with Asia repeated as "Mondo Novo", but in fact it's the same region repeated as if they were different places. Let's take a look at some examples in the following maps:

1502 - Cantino - Nicolás Caneiro
1506 - Martín Waldssemüller
1515 - Schoner
1520 - Pedro Apiano
1522 - Lorenzo Frisio
1532 - Sebastián Munster

.....Then this duality disappears, since in 1526 the geographers began to notice the duality error they return to the precolumbus traditional cartography, separating progressively the Oriental Indies from Asia and changing their name for America, we can see examples in the maps of:

1526 - Oroncio Fineo - F. Melinas
1528 - F. Melinas
1533 - Gotha - Schoner
1542 - C. Vopelius
1554 - Lopo Homen
1562 - G. Gastaldi
1570 - F. Basso

(For the list the most representative maps were chosen.)

.....Although this cartographic modality reaches our days, we continue with the antique concept of Mondo Novo independent of the Oriental Indies, duplicity that practically disappeared about forty years after Christopher Columbus. But the impact and publicity of that time about the discovery and later on interests left us a real cartography and a mistaken concept to consider the discovery a simple and sad conquest of well-known lands from antiquity.
Three comparative maps on this topic:


..... In these three maps, we have an example of the cartographic evolution from before Christopher Columbus until present time.
..... In the map Nº 1 of Zeitz 1470 we can see how the Oriental Indies (America) begins to separate from Asia.
..... Situation that continues until the supposed discovery of America baptized this way by Martin Waldseemüller in his map of 1506, but from 1492 the Oriental Indies or "Tail of the Dragon" appears, and on the other hand the Mondo Novo which is the same thing, confusion that is maintained for about forty years where in all maps the two America appears like in the map already mentioned, or in the Nº 2 of Sebastian Munster 1532 twenty-six years after in Waldseemüller's map.
..... About forty years after the geographers realize this duality and they recapture the traditional cartography used before Columbus, like in map Nº 3 (Johanes Schöner 1533), where we clearly see America joined to Asia like in the precolumbus maps. It will be separated progressively until the discovery of the Strait of Bering, being this modality the one that reaches our days.
..... In this sequence of maps if we eliminate the map Nº 2 of Sebastian Munster, we can see that map Nº 1 of Zeitz 1470 and map Nº 3 of Johanes Schöner 1533 have the same cartographic modality, in both the Oriental Indies - America is joined to Asia.
Leaving out the old "Tail of the Dragon" with its history, its toponymy and its legends, that are floating, and still trying to find them a place to locate them in some mythical lost continent and replacing it with a new Tail of the Dragon baptized America, without a place for toponymy neither history nor antique legends.
..... These forty years of duality in maps, created a confusion that impeded to see the reality of a cartographic continuity, situation that has continued for several centuries, from Columbus until the present time, causing a great deal of damage to knowledge.
..... It's demonstrated then that America always existed in maps as Oriental Indies and was well-known and frequented from the most remote antiquity.
..... It seemed that in 1502 Caneiro, Cantino, Vespuccio, and others could draw their maps that embraced so many thousands of kilometers of coast that hadn't been navigated in that time, and they could hardly have carried out their first Caribbean trips, what happened later? The cartography couldn't advance or in its defect it would so but very slowly. Its enough to look at the maps with more than a hundred years after the supposed discovery and we'll see an improved Caribbean, the Antilles and the Florida, and the rest?. It seems that geographers of that time didn't know what to do, and although the cases were many, let's see five examples:

1542 - Caspar Vopelius
1556 - Hierónymo Girava
1562 - Giácomo Gastaldi
1571 - Francisco Basso
1574 - Guillo Sanuto

..... Although they have more toponymy, cartographically don't overcome and they don't even equal the perfection of Vespuccio, the vignette of the map of Waldseemüller. It can be seen in these maps, so after the precolumbus ones, that also were drawn fusing North America with Asia being South America an extension of China towards south, they simply made the maps in the same way again as before Columbus, the only difference with the precolumbus ones is that in these later maps it says "AMERICA", what confirms the existence of a "Prehistoric Globalization"
..... It should be mentioned that the drawing of maps in the antiquity, only could be carried out with the data gathered by navigators, and that the existence of maps previous to Christopher Columbus proves the existence of old navigators that traveled the world collecting data to make these maps that were used to complete and draw the maps in times of the conquest, placing in these maps lands that they didn't know and they hadn't navigated, many times mistakenly ignoring those places and possibly also the bad interpretation when copying them.
..... It's evident the annoying task of gathering pieces of maps (partial maps) from different navigators to identify them, take them to the same scale, join them, and arm them as a puzzles, in times that cartography was still unknown, since that it's appearance can be considered with Gerardo Mercator (Gerard Kremer 1512-94) and would then mark the difference among "Geographer and Cartographer."

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