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A House subcommittee voted to kill the Internet. Did you not

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A House subcommittee voted to kill the Internet. Did you notice?
I reported on this last week without comment. Six evil Dems voted for the bill. http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/179 . It's kill or be killed for us. Time to act. Make a start here.
http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/7662437.html

Telecom reform moves forward
House panel OKs measure favored by phone companies
Tom Abate, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, April 6, 2006

A House subcommittee handed phone companies a victory Wednesday by voting 27-4 to advance a bill that would make it easier for them to deliver television service over the Internet and clearing the way for all Internet carriers to charge more for speedier delivery.

The lopsided vote was a defeat for Internet and technology firms like Google and Microsoft, which had hoped to amend the bill to enforce a principle called network neutrality and preserve the status quo under which all Internet traffic is treated equally.

Earlier in the day, the subcommittee voted 23-8 to reject an amendment by Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., that would have inserted specific language designed to enforce network neutrality and prevent the feared creation of fast and slow lanes on the Internet.

Markey said his amendment was necessary to protect the "Internet as an engine of innovation" and ensure that new services had an equal chance to sprout.

Instead, the committee adopted compromise provisions, accepted by the bill's chief sponsor, Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, authorizing the Federal Communications Commission to investigate violations of network neutrality and levy fines of up to $500,000 on a case-by-case basis.

Supporters painted defeat of Markey's net neutrality amendment in bleak terms.

"Members from both sides of the aisle endorsed a plan which will permit cable and phone companies to construct 'pay as you surf, pay as you post' toll booths for the Internet," said Jeff Chester, executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy in Washington.

But Sonia Arrison, director of technology studies for the Pacific Research Institute in San Francisco, dismissed concerns that the proposed bill would lead to a two-tiered Internet.

"There's plenty of competition,'' Arrison said. "The market will take care of it."

Largely overlooked in a debate dominated by net neutrality are provisions in the proposed legislation that would allow broadband providers, notably big phone companies, to obtain a national license to deliver television service, and exempt them from having to negotiate with cities for licenses.

According to the proposed legislation, once a broadband carrier started delivering TV in a given area, local cable companies -- which must get municipal licenses -- would be eligible for a national license in that area.

Wednesday's subcommittee vote on the bill, the Communications Opportunity, Promotion and Enhancement Act of 2006, sends it on to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. That committee is chaired by Barton. Action is expected the week of April 24.

E-mail Tom Abate at tabate@sfchronicle.com.

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Killing the Internet
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 02:24 am UTC (link)
Well this just sucks but why am I not surprised? We will just have to see how this mess plays out.

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Re: Killing the Internet
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 12:10 pm UTC (link)
did any one hear the joke about how office workers beat a woman almost to death ?police arrived to find the office workers red faced over the battered body and asked "what has this poor woman done to deserve such a beating ?"and the office workers replyed "she tried to make it so people couldn't use the internet sir "the police officers responded "well i'll be darn "then proceeded to finish her off...lololol

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 02:40 am UTC (link)
An information super hiway full of toll booths is going to stifle my use. I use the internet because it is cheap and unencumbered by corporate control. But I don't need it, can get access from work. I don't need the cell phone or the TV either. If people learned to give up their vises when they come under government or corporate control, there would be no profits. Learn to vote with your money and your feet America or become slaves to the system of control.

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Screw the money - vote with your rights as a citizen to stop...
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 01:09 pm UTC (link)
Screw the money - protest and vote with your rights as a citizen to stop this crap!!!

Uh, this is assuming we're not locked up in a "free protest area" and our votes are not electronically altered by the corporate for the corporate.

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Re: Screw the money - vote with your rights as a citizen to stop...
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Do you seriously think you actually have rights?

Come on. Wake up and smell the tear gas. We Americans have been losing our rights since well before the 9/11 terrorist attacks started. We're just approaching the end game.

I figure that the Internet will eventually become sanitized into go/no-go zones. The internet will be Disneyfied. Using the underground internet will get you a jail sentence. We'll have to go back to exchanging messages with modems in fidonet nodes.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 04:09 am UTC (link)
This is typical of a government that works for the tiny elite of less than 1% of the population who owns the corporate world through majority control of all major corporations, banks and media outlets. The internet was great while it lasted. Hopefully this latest scam will help people to wake up and realize that democracy will only exist when WE the people actually have the power to determine who our public servents are, not the wealthy elite who have always ruled this country behind the scenes.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 04:13 am UTC (link)
This isn't a bad thing. It's progress. Allowing telcos and CLECs to carry video on their fiber will mean lower costs for the end user, with more options for services. Along with it comes new billing policy, "per packet" allowing customers to only pay for the bandwidth they use instead of a flat $50 a month rate. Not only will this reduce cost of internet connectivity, it will reduce the cost of phone service & eventually high quality video. High qual digital video is already around now, but while features like on demand programs are new prices will remain elevated. This in now way harms your interweb, infact carrier diversification would be a good thing when it comes to protecting the web, you can't simply turn down a few main trunks to kill the internet so long as local independent telcos & CLECs can pass traffic across their own fiber to the next independent peer network. I'm certainly no republican, but something had to be done because there's 3x more dark fiber (fiber optic cable that has been laid & not in use) than there is working fiber, the technology is there and has been for a while, there were just no regulations around to put it to use and progress is going to happen one way or another.

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Re: ?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 07:28 am UTC (link)
Oh COME ON! Are you a Teleco rep? Give me a goddamn break! Per-packet billing will INCREASE costs for - what are mostly, cash-strapped - end-users, relative to the flat %50 per month billing currently in use. I guarantee you that most of us use the Internet enought on a monthly basis that this is the case, and you know it!

I'll briefly mention one parallel example: Long-distance telephone rates. When you are billed on a per-minute basis, and you use the phone long-distance alot, your monthly bill may run into HUNDREDS of dollars. By contrast, my flat-rate plan that I have allows me to talk an absolutely UNLIMITED amount of time each month for only a maximum of $21 per month.

It's an abominable piece of misinformation you're helping to propogate here. Quit lying for the phone companies, OK?

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Re: ? DARK FIBER
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 12:54 pm UTC (link)
Hey:
if there's " 3x more dark fiber (fiber optic cable that has been laid & not in use) than there is working fiber",it is not the problem of the END-USER. It is the problem of the Telcos who during the dot.com era, were eager-beavers burying the fibers in the ground like squirrels preparing for a winter that never arrived. It was a repeat of the Tulips story in old Holland where the investment craze was tulips everyone ended up growing tulips until the day that the market dried up and people were stuck with Tulips. Today, Holland is known for its Tulips. The U.S. is known for its dark fibers.

Hey, what about 3D video? You have the bandwidth capacity, why don't you use it but forget this "toll-booth" idea for it will kill the internet as a exchange of information and transform it into just another commercial venture like TV or radio. I for one do not listen to the radio or watch TV...take the hint...

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Re: ?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 08:23 pm UTC (link)
The telcos are already "allowed to carry video on their fiber," and in fact they do it all the time. As for CLECs, they're gone. They were never anything more than a scam perpetrated by Wall Street.

As for the dark fiber, you have it exactly backwards. Between the two of them, SBC (now AT&T) and Verizon control the vast majority of dark fiber and virtually all of the Internet backbone. They act in concert as a monopoly, and it's a fundamental economic priciple that monopolies make their super-normal profits by restricting quantity and raising price.

This makes you either a shill for the telcos or an idiot.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 04:44 am UTC (link)
The whole idea of ISP's themselves needs rethinking. There are now wireless AP's all over the place.

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Internet control
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 04:52 am UTC (link)
This is all crap - and if the American people sit down in it, they deserve to get their pants stained by it. It's HIGH TIME we told these idiots off. It was AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS that BUILT the internet, when it was a part of the NSA data network. NSA high speed routers STILL HANDLE ALL INTERNET DATA. It's not enough for them to spy on us, record all that we do and harrass us. No, they want more. What we are seeing is the formation of INTERNET 2 with a veiled name - which will have ONLY government approved users and fools on it that pay high taxes to stare at a screen. No one else will get to use it.

So how do we stop it? We let these ivory towers idiots KNOW WHOSE BOSS. Stand up and yell, "I'm-as-mad-as-hell-and-I'm-not-gonna-take-it-anymore." Call them, fax them and email them. LET THEM KNOW that when election time comes, WE WILL NOT FORGET THE CRAP THEY ARE DISHING OUT. They've exported the jobs, manufacturing and paved the way for millions of foreign nationals to march in and spike unemployment. Now they want to do THIS? Why not take all our freedoms away that are left. That is...if there are any.

Anyone who doesn't raise hell after hearing this is beyond hope.

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Re: Internet control
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 07:48 am UTC (link)
The Cocentration Camps and the Prison Boxcars await you.

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Re: Internet control
(Anonymous)
2006-04-14 05:41 am UTC (link)
while i entirely agree with your sentiments, your proposed methods at parrying this naked assault on our free speech are laughable, naive, pathetic and represents what is wrong with the opposition here(no offense).

"call them, fax them and email them?"

PUHLEEEZE.

elections? as Russel Means once said "if voting changed anything it would be outlawed."

pay attention to some very recent protests. you might want to check out what dissent looks like in France. I dont see any surrender monkeys there- certainly not those students (of all races, did you notice?)-one month of solid demonstations and it was that 1% that turned tail with their godamned "reforms." or check out our brothers and sisters throughout Latin America - Ecuador, Peru, Argentina, Bolivia - pick a state. not much faxing or emailing going on there, nothing but an epochal change, challenging transnational corporate fuedalism lock, stock and barrel. sure, elections are playing a role in change there, but look at the focused organizing and presence in the streets that defined these social movements.

these people understand the value of direct action. these are serious people. these are people with some fight left in them. how about you? you know what else? they're fighting the ones who are actually oppressing them, instead of some surrogate enemy, one that has nothing whatever to do with the origins of their daily misery, functioning as release for all that pent up rage, frustration and self loathing that cannot otherwise ever be expressed. why? because we're all such winners! no losers here! this all works well for that one percent.

wether it's all that flouride in the water,or all that "shit- eating individualism" that's been force fed us since birth, we Americans just keep on taking whatever crap comes our way. it isn't because we're so tough.

land of the free my ass.

sorry if i sound a little ticked off. its just that reading this thing about the internet on top of learning about what they are doing to the unsuspecting with d.u., it's all a little too much for me.

p.s., i don't hate America. i just feel bad for how one nation could have gotten so lame in just my lifetime.

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Kill the Internet
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 05:52 am UTC (link)
I can't afford to pay as I go for internet service. I will sell my computers and go back to writing snail mail if I have to pay at every toll booth. Forget that! I use the internet because it is faster and easier for information searches. I can still get to the library for essentially the same services. It is a shame that greedy people will ruin the few benefits that were equally available to the rest of us.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 06:59 am UTC (link)
now they want to kill the internet,what else will you take from me,
but i won't let you have the net that easy,i will leave a lot of my friends in your net,that will cost you much money to get rid of,deal is you destory me,i destory you,i can write you some viruses that will take you fifty years to get rid of,like they say revenge is sweet,but unjust.

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THE BASTARDS
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 08:18 am UTC (link)
Well, it of course figures.

The corporatocracy is going to do everything it can, on every front, in every economic and social sector, directly and indirectly, to increase costs for the consumer, while driving down the quality of life in every way, and to the maximum extent, that it possibly can.

Our only hope against this perennially occurring and long-historical pattern is for us to resolve as human beings set aside our differences - which have always been overplayed to us by the corporate propagandists - and to unite against the corporate monster. To this end, we must reject all the damn "free-market" propaganda, we must kill these stupid canned scripts we've been fed, activate our minds, and studiously learn of the need for checks and balances against ALL concentrations of power, whatever they may be, of any kind, political or economic (which is just "political" by another name), not only in government, but also in the so-called "private" sector as well.

Let the blinders fall from your eyes, people! It wasn't socialism, per se, that was discredited by the fall of the Soviet Union. It was TOTALITARIANISM (or authoritarianism) that was so discredited.

Observe that corporate capitalism is nothing so much as authoritarian.

Yes, we should be careful to not repeat the errors of some of the socialists. We should, for example, make sure we protect private property rights. Those property rights, however, can only properly belong to PEOPLE, i.e. individual human beings.
Our current political and legal convention of treating institutions (corporations) as if they were individual human beings, and thus allowing them so much unilateral power in setting social and economic policy, is a clear case of the over-enfranchisement of institutions as such. It is an abuse and perversion of the notion of private property, and thus an abuse of real flesh-and-blood human beings. This is what is setting the stage for our eventual total enslavement.

The loss of the internet as a free medium is of course devastating, and I'm SCREAMING about it. But, properly understood, it is a symptom of a MUCH wider paradigm!

Wake up, everybody!

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Absurdity in Action...
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 08:49 am UTC (link)
It amazes me how our government does not seem to feel complete without meddling in everything. What is even more unbelievable are the issues that our government has chosen to back and their positions on those issues. While now fighting against internet meddling is a top priority, it didn't used to be...because the government was preoccupied with issues more in need of a solution...like 911 aftermath, the war in Iraq, and, well, even the avian flu is more pertinent than what the cable companies can do and how much they are gonna charge. But, our government being ever so wise, decided that attacking our current cable price range was a worthy candidate for their attentions. And while they were at it, why not just strip us of a few more rights and further rape the American people further. The biggest insult of all? The fact that we are ranked #16 in the world in broadband technology. Japan, Germany, and even Slovenia are outdoing us on speed vs. cost. Their broadbands are far greater on both upload and download and they are receiving this quality at prices comparible and even cheaper than nominal US prices. So, what our government is really doing is saying, "Here, take this inadequate service at astronomical price rates, and then turn your head and let us take away your freedoms on this second rate service like freedom of expression, of free speech and privacy. Our government needs to devote its attention to surviving, since the current level of domestic unrest does not bode well for them. At this rate, our current government will not last another 100 years for sure. What really sucks is that our government, no matter how defunct, is really the lesser of all other evils in the current world. With all of it's flaws, it is still the greatest land of all.

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Re: Absurdity in Action...
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 09:43 am UTC (link)
Your specifics fail to cohere with your generality that you concluded your comment with.

You say, generally, that our government is the "lesser of all..evils", but you mention earlier in your statement that Japan, Germany and Slovenia (at least with respect to Internet service) are "lesser" in evil.
Also, "greatest land of all" is a nebulous catch-phrase not necessarily having to do with our government, or its character.

It also isn't just a matter of "the government". It is so-called "private, commercial interests, primarily, that are making the policy.

I also question whether the United States is indeed the "lesser" of evils with respect to all other political systems. It is possible that this has been true from time to time, and only for *very* brief periods of respite from corporate and religion-motivated tyranny. That, almost certainly, is not the case right now.

Even with regard to features of our political and social life which are better than elsewhere, it is still, at best, an irrelevancy to make specific, let alone vague, mention of them in the context of a critique of policy, such as our criticism of the current action against the Internet. Those jingoistic canned scripts only serve to take the focus away from the specifics of your message, and - in this case, among others, to be sure - to run the risk of losing those very things that have, from time to time, made us the "lesser of evils" on the world stage.



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Re: Absurdity in Action...
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 10:18 am UTC (link)
As long as Repugnocrats are elected, nothing will change but the speed of their hands in your pockets.

Ross was right, and I'm being deafened by that giant sucking sound...

MediaMike, Phoenix

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 01:43 pm UTC (link)
They are doing this State by State as well. 216.22.2.74/cgi-local/ffa2.cgi?

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State by State
[info]mparent7777
2006-04-13 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Have you link(s) to articles covering this angle?

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This Was Predictable
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 04:48 pm UTC (link)
The major players of Silicon Valley, i.e., the venture capitalists and Cisco, were all in favor of telecom competition when they could run scams of various kinds. Remember the CLECs? But when that fraud ended, then they switched sides and have been doing the bidding of the telco giants.

Ethics don't exist in American business. It is thoroughly corrupt. Nothing whatsoever will be allowed to stand in the way of their lust for another buck. Look at Google. They've even gone along wth Chinese internet censorship, which of course is enabled by Cisco's cooperation in putting spy software into the routers. Trust me, nothing's sacred.

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Internet
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 04:52 pm UTC (link)
No one should be surprised. It's the shape of things to come.

www.wintersteel.com/RobertDuncanOFinioan.html

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Swedes got it good.
(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 07:44 pm UTC (link)
The swedish governmment decided that "the use of internet is a basic human right" (or something like that) so therefore every swedish household should have access to high speed internet. Since this is a social undertaking the building of the network is subsidied by the taxpayer. All contracts have been made using competition among corporations, which limits the profits. Thats why they have 10 megabit connections that cost them 12 dollars a month.
Which one is better? 50 bucks a month for a 1 megabit or whatever u get from a private company or 12 dollars for a 10 megabit state controlled company (which pockets the profits back to the taxpayer)? The mobile phone rates are also really really low there. Like 10 bucks for talk all u can/month.
Unfortunately i live in finland and pay 21 euros for a 1mbit cable line :(

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Re: Swedes got it good.
(Anonymous)
2006-04-15 01:42 pm UTC (link)
They don't WANT US to have unlimited access to information!

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what's an internet?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-14 12:19 am UTC (link)
the thing that catches the plaster from walls?

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Re: what's an internet?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-14 12:20 am UTC (link)
wake up gary, you idiot, and stop yelling at your brother about corned-beef sandwiches! it doesn't matter if he forgot the mustard!

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Re: what's an internet?
[info]mparent7777
2006-04-14 11:04 pm UTC (link)
:o)

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Just bought more ammo..... <EOM>
(Anonymous)
2006-04-14 05:02 pm UTC (link)
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