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Jesus in the Koran

Post#1 » Mon May 30, 2011 5:24 pm

The supremacist Joos are good at causing dissension amongst races and peoples. If you Love Christ, you would be disgusted by what the TalMUD says about Christ. Yet these assholes are trying to start a third world war against the muslims, who we have a lot more in common with then the khazar-joos in name only. Wake the fuck up people, you are being set up for mass slaughter.

stop sucking on the tit of Joodaism... why is it ok now, when Christ himself told us they are the children of the devil, and are not of the tribe of Judah.
John 8 33-44
Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9

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Posted: May 26, 2011 by crescentandcross in Uncategorized

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He Shall Speak to the People in Childhood and in Maturity
Qur’an 3:45-51 Surah Ale-’Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
Behold! the angels said “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
“He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”
She said: “O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth; when He hath decreed a plan He but saith to it ‘Be’ and it is!
“And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom the Law and the Gospel.
“And (appoint him) an Apostle to the Children of Israel (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave; and I heal those born blind and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe.
“(I have come to you) to attest the Law which was before me and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me.
“It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight.”

Mary, the Daughter of ‘Imran, Guarded Her Chastity

Qur’an 66:11-12 Surah At-Tahrim (Banning)
And Allah sets forth as an example to those who believe the wife of Pharaoh: Behold she said: “O my Lord! build for me in nearness to Thee a mansion in the Garden and save me from Pharaoh and his doings and save me from those that do wrong”;
And Mary the daughter of ‘Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into her (body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations and was one of the devout (Servants).
The Similitude of Jesus Before Allah Is as That of Adam….”Be” and He Was

Qur’an 3:59-63 Surah Ale-’Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created him from dust then said to him: “Be” and he was.
The truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
If anyone disputes in this matter with thee now after (full) knowledge hath come to thee say: “Come! let us gather together our sons and your sons our women and your women ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!”
This is the true account: there is no god except Allah; and Allah He is indeed the Exalted in Power the Wise.
But if they turn back Allah hath full knowledge of those who do mischief.
Allah Too Planned and the Best of Planners Is Allah

Qur’an 3:52-58 Surah Ale-’Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
When Jesus found unbelief on their part he said: “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the Disciples: “We are Allah’s helpers we believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
“Our Lord! we believe in what thou hast revealed and we follow the Apostle; then write us down among those who bear witness.”
And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned and Allah too planned and the best of planners is Allah.
Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return unto Me and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
“As to those who reject faith I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter nor will they have anyone to help.
“As to those who believe and work righteousness Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong.
“This is what We rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom.”
They Killed Him Not Nor Crucified Him

Qur’an 4:155-159 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
(They have incurred divine displeasure): in that they broke their Covenant: that they rejected the Signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said “Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah’s Word; we need no more)”; nay Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy and little is it they believe.
That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge.
That they said (in boast) “We killed Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah”; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.
Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise.
And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them.
Jesus Shall Be a Sign for the Coming of the Hour of Judgment

Qur’an 43:57-67 Surah Az-Zukhruf (Gold Adornments)
When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example behold thy people raise a clamor thereat (in ridicule)!
And they say ” Are Our gods best or He?” This they set forth to thee only by way of disputation: yea they are a contentious people.
He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favor to him and We made him an example to the Children of Israel.
And if it were Our Will We could make angels from amongst you succeeding each other on the earth.
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour) but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed.
When Jesus came with Clear Signs he said: “Now have I come to you with Wisdom and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.
“For Allah; He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way.”
But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrongdoers from the Penalty of a Grievous Day!
Do they only wait for the Hour that it should come on them all of a sudden while they perceive not?
Friends on that Day will be foes one to another except the Righteous.
O Allah Our Lord! Send Us from Heaven a Table Set

Qur’an 5:112-115 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
Behold! the disciples said: “O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?” Said Jesus: “Fear Allah if ye have faith.”
They said: “We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle.
Said Jesus the son of Mary: “O Allah our Lord! send us from heaven a table set (with viands) that there may be for us for the first and the last of us a solemn festival and a sign from Thee; and provide for our sustenance for Thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs).
Allah said: “I will send it down unto you: but if any of you after that resisteth faith I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on anyone among all the peoples.
Who Will Be My Helpers to the Work of Allah? Said the Disciples…

Qur’an 61:14 Surah As-Saff (The Ranks)
O ye who believe! be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the Disciples “We are Allah’s helpers!” Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed and a portion disbelieved: but We gave power to those who believed against their enemies and they became the ones that prevailed.
Apostles Who Gave Good News as Well as Warning

Qur’an 4:163-170 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
We have sent thee (O Muhammad) inspiration as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him; We sent inspiration to Abraham Ismail Isaac Jacob and the Tribes to Jesus Job Jonah Aaron and Solomon and to David We gave the Psalms.
Of some Apostles We have already told thee the story; of others We have not; and to Moses Allah spoke direct.
Apostles who gave good news as well as warning that mankind after (the coming) of the Apostles should have no plea against Allah: for Allah is Exalted in Power Wise.
But Allah beareth witness that what He hath sent unto thee He hath sent from His (Own) Knowledge and the angels bear witness: but enough is Allah for a Witness.
Those who reject faith and keep off (men) from the way of Allah have verily strayed far far away from the path.
Those who reject faith and do wrong Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any way.
Except the way of Hell to dwell therein for ever: and this to Allah is easy.
O mankind! the Apostle hath come to you in truth from Allah: believe in him: it is best for you. But if ye reject faith to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise.
No Difference Between One and Another of the Prophets of Allah

Qur’an 2:135-141 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Heifer)
They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the true and he joined not gods with Allah.”
Say ye: “We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma’il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam).”
So if they believe as ye believe they are indeed on the right path; but if they turn back it is they who are in schism; but Allah will suffice thee as against them and He is the All-Hearing the All-Knowing.
(Our religion is) the baptism of Allah; and who can baptize better than Allah? and it is He whom we worship.
Say: Will ye dispute with us about Allah seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord; that we are responsible for our doings and ye for yours; and that we are sincere (in our faith) in Him?
Or do ye say that Abraham Isma’il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? But Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case.
The Same Religion as That Enjoined on Noah

Qur’an 42:12-14 Surah As-Shuraa (The Consultation)
To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth: He enlarges and restricts the Sustenance to whom He will: for He knows full well all things.
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah–the which We have sent by inspiration to thee–and that which We enjoined on Abraham Moses and Jesus: Namely that ye should remain steadfast in Religion and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
And they became divided only after knowledge reached them through selfish envy as between themselves. Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord (tending) to a Term appointed the matter would have been settled between them: but truly those who have inherited the Book after them are in suspicious (disquieting) doubt concerning it.
Allah Sent down Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) Before the Qur’an

Qur’an 3:1-6 Surah Ale-’Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
Allah! there is no god but He the Living the Self-Subsisting Eternal.
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step) in truth the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to mankind and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty and Allah is Exalted in Might Lord of Retribution.
From Allah verily nothing is hidden on earth or in the heavens.
He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god but He the Exalted in Might the Wise.
Allah Sent Jesus the Son of Mary Confirming the Law, Sent Him the Gospel

Qur’an 5:45-47 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
We ordained therein for them: “Life for life eye for eye nose for nose ear for ear tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed they are (no better than) wrong-doers.
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary confirming the law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
Let the people of the Gospel Judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed they are (no better than) those who rebel.
Clear Signs To Jesus the Son of Mary

Qur’an 2:253 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Heifer)
Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: to one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. If Allah had so willed succeeding generations would not have fought among each other after clear (Signs) had come to them but they (chose) to wrangle some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed they would not have fought each other; but Allah fulfilleth His plan.
Glad Tidings of an Apostle to Come after Me Whose Name Shall Be Ahmad

Qur’an 61:6-9 Surah As-Saff (The Ranks)
And remember Jesus the son of Mary said: “O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs they said “This is evident sorcery!”
Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong.
Their intention is to extinguish Allah’s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
It is He Who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth that he may proclaim it over all religion even though the Pagans may detest (it).
Some Apostles You Called Impostors and Others You Slay

Qur’an 2:87-88 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Heifer)
We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostle with what ye yourselves desire not ye are puffed up with pride? Some ye called impostors and others ye slay!
They say “Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah’s word we need no more).” Nay Allah’s curse is on them for their blasphemy; little is it they believe.
Prophets Zakariya, John, Jesus and Elias: All in the Ranks of the Righteous

Qur’an 6:83-89 Surah An-An’am (The Cattle)
That was the reasoning about Us which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) We guided: and before him We guided Noah and before him We guided Noah and among his progeny David Solomon Job Joseph Moses and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:
And Zakariya and John and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous:
And Ismail and Elisha and Jonas and Lot: and to all We gave favor above the nations:
(To them) and to their fathers and progeny and brethren: We chose them. And We guided them to a straight way.
This is the guidance of Allah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him all that they did would be vain for them.
These were the men to whom We gave the Book and authority and prophethood: if these (their descendants) reject them behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new People who reject them not.
Glory to Thee! Never Could I Say What I Had No Right to Say

Qur’an 5:116-120 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
And behold! Allah will say “O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men ‘worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah”? He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
“Never said I to them anything except what Thou didst command me to say to wit ‘Worship Allah my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all things.
“If Thou dost punish them they are Thy servants: if Thou dost forgive them Thou art the Exalted the Wise.
Allah will say: “This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens with rivers flowing beneath their eternal home: Allah well-pleased with them and they with Allah: that is the great Salvation (the fulfillment of all desires).
To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein and it is He who hath power over all things.
Say Not “Trinity”: Desist: it Will Be Better for You: for Allah Is One Allah

Qur’an 4:171-173 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
Christ (Maseeh) disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah nor do the angels those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto himself to (answer).
But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness He will give their (due) rewards and more out of His bounty: but those who are disdainful and arrogant He will punish with a grievous penalty; nor will they find besides Allah any to protect or help them.
They Do Blaspheme Who Say: “Allah Is Christ the Son of Mary”…

Qur’an 5:72-77 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ (Maseeh): “O children of Israel! worship Allah my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah Allah will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Why turn they not to Allah and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
Christ (Maseeh) the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle; many were the Apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth makes His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
Say: Will ye worship besides Allah something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah He it is that heareth and knoweth all things.”
Say: “O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper) trespassing beyond the truth nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by who misled many and strayed (themselves) from the even way.
Priests and Anchorites to Be Their Lords in Derogation of Allah
Qur’an 9:30-35 Surah At-Tauba (Repentance)
The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth!
They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; Yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the parents they associate (with him).
Fain would they extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected even though the unbelievers may detest (it).
It is He who hath sent His apostle with guidance and religion of truth to proclaim it over all religions even though the pagans may detest (it).
O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites who in falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah: announce unto them a most grievous penalty.
On the day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of hell and with it will be branded their foreheads their flanks and their backs “this is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye then the (treasures) ye buried!”
Christ Does Not Disdain to Serve and Worship Allah

Qur’an 4:172-173 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
Christ (Maseeh) disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah nor do the angels those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto himself to (answer).
But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness He will give their (due) rewards and more out of His bounty: but those who are disdainful and arrogant He will punish with a grievous penalty; nor will they find besides Allah any to protect or help them.
If Anyone Desires a Religion Other than Islam It Will Never Be Accepted

Qur’an 3:83-86 Surah Ale-’Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah? While all creatures in the heavens and on earth have willing or unwilling bowed to His Will (accepted Islam) and to Him shall they all be brought back.
Say: “We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham Isma’il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and in (Books) given to Moses Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).”
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
How shall Allah guide those who reject faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Apostle was true and that clear signs had come unto them? But Allah guides not a people unjust.

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Allah: Allah is the proper name in Arabic for The One and Only God, The Creator and Sustainer of the universe. It is used by the Arab Christians and Jews for the God (‘Eloh-im’ in Hebrew; ‘Allaha’ in Aramaic, the mother tongue of Jesus). The word Allah does not have a plural or gender. Allah does not have any associate or partner, and He does not beget nor was He begotten. SWT is an abbreviation of Arabic words that mean ‘Glory Be To Him.’
s or pbuh: Peace Be Upon Him. This expression is used for all Prophets of Allah.
Those who wish to understand the specific and broader meaning of the verses of the Qur’an, it is recommended that they should also read commentary on these subjects and verses. The English readers will find either Yusuf Ali’s or Maududi’s commentaries a good source. Allama Yususf Ali presents the meaning Ayah (verse) by Ayah with detailed footnotes for relevant words in each verse and includes a detailed index of the topics mentioned in the Qur’an. Maulana Maududi’s work covers commentary for each Surah (chapter) of the Holy Qur’an.
Pickthall writes in his foreward of 1930: “… The Qur’an cannot be translated. … The book is here rendered almost literally and every effort has been made to choose befitting language. But the result is not the Glorious Qur’an, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy. It is only an attempt to present the meaning of the Qur’an-and peradventure something of the charm in English. It can never take the place of the Qur’an in Arabic, nor is it meant to do so. …”
“The Holy Qur’an,” Text, Translation and Commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, 1934. (Latest Publisher: Amana Publications, Beltsville, MD, USA; Title: “The Meaning of the Holy Qur’an,” 1992). A pocket edition of Yusuf Ali’s translation is also available in contemporary English.
“The Meaning of the Glorious Koran,” An Explanatory Translation by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, a Mentor Book Publication. (Also available as: “The Meaning of the Glorious Koran,” by Marmaduke Pickthall, Dorset Press, N.Y. and several Islamic book publishers; Published by several publishers since 1930). Note: The Mentor publication (451 MJ1529 195) contains a few errors/omissions, e.g., in Surah 72: the last part of Verse 2 should read “we ascribe no partner unto our Lord”, and Surah 68: Verse 22 should read “straight” road instead of “beaten” road. In case of any doubt, the reader is advised to check with a copy from an Islamic publisher and also check with an Islamic scholar for the meaning directly from the Arabic original.
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MJ says:
May 26, 2011 at 5:16 pm
And Allah sets forth as an example to those who believe the wife of Pharaoh: Behold she said: “O my Lord! build for me in nearness to Thee a mansion in the Garden and save me from Pharaoh and his doings and save me from those that do wrong”;
Qur’an 66:11-12 Surah At-Tahrim (Banning)
I say This supplication every day We do have modern day Pharaohs : D.
Revealed knowledge says that paradise has many levels and we can strive To be at The level of the best men and women such as Mary and the wife of pharaoh ( peace and blessings be upon them)and live in nearness To Allah. Those from our ranks can reach this level by being truthful, righteous, witnesses/martyrs.
By all means explore all ideas and at least be aware about what you are upon. ... THIS_WORLD
mark from kentucky says:
May 26, 2011 at 5:40 pm
I can’t even tell you how relevant this is to a discussion I had last night on face book.
Thank You Mark
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 26, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I have been talking to myself (almost) on the Children of a lesser god, shall I keep on monologuing here?
DR.NUR says:
May 26, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Supplement for the Second Edition of
Who Was Jesus?
How Much Can Be Known about the Koranic Jesus?
The Israelite priesthood was apparently regarded from an early time as
the preserve of the tribe of Levi, with members of this tribe offering
priestly services wherever they were needed (see Judges 17:6b-13). At
some point, however, as the Israelite Yahweh cult became more
organized, the priesthood came to be restricted exclusively to one
particular Levitical lineage: the house of Aaron who was allegedly the
brother of Moses, the first priest of Israel and the man originally
given charge of the Ark of the Covenant (the sacred wooden chest in
which the spirit of the invisible Yahweh was supposed to reside). The
last officially recognized Aaronic chief priest, whose name was
Abiathar, served under King David (c. 1005-964 BC), but was made to
share his office with a man called Zadok who was apparently neither of
Aaronic nor even of Levitical descent. Later, when Solomon succeeded
his father David as king, Abiathar was sacked from the chief
priesthood and banished to an agricultural estate that his family
owned in Anathoth (1 Kings 2:26; Joshua 21:18) – today, almost
certainly the village called Antutah (Arabicized form of the Biblical
Hebrew Anatot, name changed today to al-Mubarakah), in the fertile
hinterland of the Saudi Arabian coastal town of Jizan, close by the
border with Yemen.
From that time on, the chief priesthood of the Davidic kingdom – under
Solomon, then under the kings of Judah who were his successors -
became the exclusive preserve of the house of Zadok. This same
Zadokite priestly establishment continued to dominate Israelite
religious affairs following the Babylonian conquest of Judah in 586 BC
and the deportation of its leading citizens to Iraq. In the meanwhile,
the Aaronic priesthood had somehow managed to survive in Anathoth,
probably supported by a body of die-hard Israelites who refused to
accept the sacerdotal authority of the Zadokites. Among the Aaronic
priests of Anathoth was the Prophet Jeremiah, who predicted – and
lived to witness – the downfall of Judah, and who vanished from
history in obscure circumstances shortly thereafter.
Apart from identifying “Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah” as being one “of
the priests who were in Anathoth” (Jeremiah 1:1), the Received Text of
the Hebrew Bible, which was compiled and redacted by the Zadokites and
their associates in post-exilic times, has nothing to say about the
house of Aaron following the dismissal of Abiathar from the chief
priesthood. And nothing would have been known about the fate of the
Aaronic priestly line after the mysterious disappearance of Jeremiah,
had it not been for the Koran, where it identifies Maryam – the
Koranic Mary – as an Israelite temple figure of unequivocally Aaronic
lineage (see chapter four). As the son of Maryam, Issa – the Koranic
Jesus who was believed to be virgin-born – would have naturally
inherited his mother’s Aaronic lineage, apparently to become the head
of the house of Aaron in due course. The fact that the Koran
recognizes him as al-Masih, or “the Christ,” indicates that he was
recognized by his followers, in his time, as the long-awaited priestly
messiah whose mission was to end the prolonged Zadokite usurpation of
the Israelite priesthood, and to restore it to the house of Aaron to
which it legitimately belonged.
The Koranic juxtaposition between the Aaronic Issa and the Zadokite
Ezra (see chapter four) seems to indicate a historical connection
between the careers of the two men. Ezra, who was active in the middle
decades of the fifth century BC, was the person chiefly responsible
for the post-exilic revival of the law of Moses, on the basis of which
the scattered remnants of the Israelite people were reorganized under
Zadokite leadership as the religious community of the “Jews”
(yehuwdim, from yehuwdah, the Hebrew for Judah). Disregarding the fact
that an Aaronic priesthood still existed in Arabia in his time, and
that this priesthood probably commanded an Israelite following of some
size, Ezra claimed for himself an Aaronic lineage to which he was not
entitled (Ezra 7:1-5). Alternatively, it was his Jewish followers who
fabricated this lineage for him during his lifetime, or following his
death. This daring action, whether on his part or that of his
partisans, would alone have sufficed to elicit an open confrontation
on the issue between the houses of Zadok and Aaron. And there is good
indication that a contest over the possession of the Ark of Covenant -
to the Israelites, the ultimate touchstone of genuine priestly
standing – may have been at the heart of the matter.
Of the fate of the Ark of the Covenant after it came to be installed
in the temple of Solomon (see 1 Kings 8:1-11), the Received Text of
the Hebrew Bible, curiously, has nothing to say, leaving the ultimate
fate of the Ark unknown. However, in a book on the antiquities of
Arabia written in the early decades of the eighth century AD, an early
Muslim historian and epigraphist, Wahb ibn Munabbih (Kitab al-tijan
li-muluk Himyar, Hyderabad Deccan, AH 1347, pp.179-180), reports that
the Israelites once deposited the Ark in Mecca as they fled through
the Hijaz in panic before a powerful coalition of enemies, and that
the Ark remained thereafter in Mecca until Issa ibn Maryam arrived in
the city to claim it. Wahb, who was the descendant of a prominent
Jewish family from the Yemen, was well versed in the Israelite lore of
Arabia. What lends special credence to his Ark story is, first, the
casual manner in which he relates it, without comment or elaboration,
and, second, the fact that he relates it in the context of the history
of Mecca, and not that of the Israelites, about which he has much to
say elsewhere. Add to this the fact that his story of the Ark makes
good historical sense. In a struggle between Issa and the Zadokites
over the legitimate right to the Israelite priesthood, what success
could have been more dramatic for an Aaronic messiah than suddenly
managing to find and take possession of the long lost and virtually
forgotten Ark?
The question of the Ark aside, Wahb’s account of its concealment in
Mecca and of its subsequent reclamation from there by Issa in that
city seems to assume, first, that pre-exilic Israelite history ran its
course in Arabia and second, that the geographical setting of Issa’s
career was equally Arabian. It was in Arabia, apparently, that he died
and was buried. This, at least according to a story originally told by
an Arabian notable from Medina, in the Hijaz, and quoted by the great
Arab scholar al-Tabari (d. AD 923) in his major historical work Tarikh
al-rusul wal-muluk (Cairo edition, 1967, vol.1, pp.603-4):
One of our womenfolk had made a vow to climb to the peak of al-Jamma’,
a mountain in al-Aqiq, [south of] Medina. So I climbed with her until
we reached the mountain top. There stood an enormous sarcophagus with
two huge tombstones, one [at each end], which bore inscriptions in a
writing unknown to me. I carried the two stones back with me. But as I
was crossing a passage down the mountainside, the two of them became
too difficult for me to carry; so I dropped one and descended with the
other. I asked people who knew Syriac if they could read [the
inscription on that stone], but they could not. Then I showed it to
people from the Yemen who could write [Hebrew], or who wrote the South
Arabian script, and they could not read it. So, when I found no one
who could make sense of [the inscription], I put it away at home under
a chest, where it remained for years. Then some Persians arrived [in
Medina] from [the town of] Maha to buy beads. I asked them: “Do you
have a written language?” They answered: “We do.” So I brought out the
[inscription] for them [to see] and, behold, they were reading it, as
it was in their script: “This is the grave of Issa ibn Maryam, the
messenger of God to the people of this land.” It turned out that
[Persians] had inhabited the area at that time, and [Issa] died in
their midst, so they buried him on top of the mountain.
This story not only confirms the location of the career of Issa ibn
Maryam in the Arabian province of the Hijaz, but also relates it to
the period of Persian rule in the lands of the Near East (535-330 BC).
More interesting, however, is the fact that ¤abar* was aware that the
Issa who was buried on top of Mount Jamma’, south of Medina, was a
person entirely different from the Jesus who was crucified by the Jews
in Jerusalem during the reign of the ... -results=1
Roman emperor Tiberius. “I have been told,” he says, “that the man
taken to be Issa and crucified in his place was an Israelite called
Ishu bin Fandara” (Tabari, vol.1, p.605). This name is none other than
the pejorative name Yeshu’ ben Panthera, or ben Pandera (see chapter
three), by which the Jewish Talmud refers to the Davidic Jesus who was
crucified in the Palestinian Jerusalem, and whom we have agreed to
call Jeshu bar Nagara (see chapter seven).
With respect to the dating of the career of the Koranic Jesus who was
Issa ibn Maryam, the Damascene Muslim historian, Abul-Qasim Ibn
Asakir, writing in the twelfth century AD (Sirat al-Sayyid al-Masih,
Suleiman Murad, ed., Amman, 1996, par.10), cites a tradition related
by an early Muslim authority who died in AD 721 which asserts that the
“ascension” of Issa to God’s presence occurred 933 years before the
start of the Muslim era (AD 622). Unless another explanation can be
given to this tradition, it means that the “ascension” of Issa
(possibly to mean his canonization or apotheosis) occurred is 311 BC,
and that his career as a prophet and Aaronic Messiah belonged to the
late fourth century BC, and not to the late fifth or early fourth
centurs earlier surmised (see chapter four).
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 26, 2011 at 8:56 pm

DR GERALD DIRKS – Did Jesus die for the sins of the world?
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 26, 2011 at 9:03 pm
DR GERALD DIRKS – From Jesus to Muhammad: A History of Early Christianity

N.B. Do not miss to watch the first clip as it reveals that there were two Jesuses:
The Coptic Church canonised Pontius Pilate for saving Jesus, Son of te father, BAR ABAS.
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 26, 2011 at 9:14 pm
DR LAURENCE BROWN – Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
Raised as a non practicing Quaker, almost an Atheist, Dr Laurence Brown is a retired US Air Force Officer (Major) and ophthalmologist. Trying hard to become a Christian, he found and embraced Islam some 15 years ago when the Christian priests were unable to answer his questions about Christianity.
Because he embraced Islam, he lost his wife, children, parents, house, friends, and even his guest house on his property.

B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 26, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Atonement and The Original Sin – Dr. Laurence B. Brown

B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 27, 2011 at 9:24 am
Former Christian Youth Minister – Joshua Evans – Jesus in the Qur’ân
How the Bible Led Me to Islam

DR.NUR says:
May 27, 2011 at 2:01 pm ... of-Jericho
DR.NUR says:
May 27, 2011 at 2:11 pm
DEAR B.A.Frémaux-Soormally :
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 27, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Dear Dr Nur
As soon as I saw your long commentary, I was again annoyed (a rather polite term) and said to myself NUR IS AGAIN SPAMMING with his Dr Kamal Salibi stuff and quickly skipped over it. Further, I was not in the mood to spend time reading it or writing about the issue of “Jesus in the Qur’ân” when people concerned are not even interested in the “Jesus in the Bible” itself. But, a few minutes ago I came back to the posting and saw, lo and behold; your commentary was relevant and very appropriate to the subject matter containing material I never found anywhere. Unfortunately, I will repeat again, as I said in my email, that a summary or synthesis would have sufficed.
In brief, Nur, I was wrong in my first impression and sincerely apologize.
I never managed to put my hands on the finished manuscript of “The Alien Beginning and End of Humankind”, but found only a few drafts here and there. I have lost hundreds of books from my personal library (my beloved wife threw a lot away after she had kicked me out of our home, so I was told!) and I never managed to recover a few of my old damaged hard disks. Although I had a laser printer at the time, I should have printed the whole entire 1200 pages myself, but I was neglectful and I was not motivated as I was evolving in the midst of people who did not care at all about history. They were more interested in King Henry VIII and his “72” wives and mistresses than in the history of ARABIA where most of the answers regarding Sumerian civilisation, Judaism and early Christianity could be found.
In one of my books I was keeping besides my head (after I was kicked out, I had many books aligned right on my bed!), I stumbled on a paragraph where it mentioned that Northern Arabs were among the inhabitants of Sumer, Mesopotamia. To me, this meant a lot. And, then, I found out again that there was a Roman Arab governor of Egypt, then that Rabbi Saul of Tarsus went to live in Arabia after his “vision”! But, most people are simply not smart enough to understand what they read, but I do pay a lot of attention and I have a very critical mind. But, who really cares?
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 27, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Do you realise that I had to read your research to understand at 65 years of age that the “Jewish” Pharisees were in fact PERSIANS, “PHARSIS” or FARSIS? This makes a lot of sense to me. My father used to write and speak Farsi, the official language of Mughal Hindustan before the British barbarians invaded the land of my ancestors and banned it. But, people will fail to see the connection because either they do not think or do not read enough or have other vested interests other than the truth. When I was quite young I used to question everything! I still do and it is getting worse!
When I read (or was told by my “teachers”) that Aristotle studied philosophy with Plato for twenty years, I said to myself: what an idiot! He must have had a very ordinary brain! In truth he was a fake made up and adopted by the West as the cleverest man (ape, says Dawkins) ever in their history. I would later find confirmation in my research that there was no way that a SOLDIER and murderer in the army of Alexander the Accursed (who they claim was Aristotle’s student!) could ever have been a “philosopher” at all or having mastered and written about physics, metaphysics, poetry, theatre, music, logic, rhetoric, linguistics, politics, government, ethics, biology and zoology in such a short span with no academy (they taught and learned under olive trees, so it would seem) training, no research laboratory at his disposal and just by walking back and forth with Plato for twenty years like an imbecile! I knew Aristotle was a fake although maybe not completely. When, I found out later that Alexander (after conquering Egypt) made him collect (buy, they say!) all existing Egyptian manuscripts of the sum total of their knowledge and had them translated into Greek in Alexandria (Alexander used to destroy everything on his way and give his name to all the main towns he conquered!), I immediately understood where “Aristotelian” knowledge came from – from the Egyptian Mystery Schools, Persia and other neighbouring countries which were far more advanced in science than “Greece”! On a catalogue mentioning all (or many of) the translated works of others, they (he) put the name Aristotle on it and those works became known as written and authored by Aristotle himself when they were just only listed by him!
In those days, philosophers were persecuted in Athens and had to flee or face death like Socrates and others!
But, coming back to this Jesus matter, there is no way we can convince people who have been indoctrinated in a set of beliefs (Christians and Muslims) that the truth may be not what they believe.
Moses was not a Jew but a Levite who married an Arab (Medianite), but how many of us know this? The term Arab covered the inhabitants of a vast region and were people of all biological types, colours and creeds, whereas the term Jewish was a tribal (ethnic) term, not even meaning a Judaist. The white European racists have always held that the Greeks were the most perfect “race” on earth and claim they descended from them (Pr Richard Dawkins), but thanks to Alexander the Greeks were Hellenised. How many know what this term really means? Most people I deal with on a daily basis are full of propaganda and display little civilised culture and factual knowledge.
Well, I am not a specialist like you on Middle Eastern history. What I really know is what I learned from European and Jewish sources half of which cannot be trusted at all!
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 27, 2011 at 3:46 pm
To the Jews Christianity was a Jewish “heresy”.
Rome hated the early Christians and murdered them by the millions.
The Catholics burned all Christian heretics they could lay their hands upon.
But, today, we have seen the Catholics accepting their “heretics” (the Protestants and other Reformed denominations) as Christians.
Islam was undoubedtly both a Jewish and a Christian heresy!
The Catholics launched the Crusades, the Inquisition and their Mongol hordes (mercenaries) and murdered Muslim “heretics” by the millions.
But, it does not seem likely that the Catholics would ever accept the Muslim heretics as “heretic” Christians! WHY? Fanaticism? Racism? Supremacism? Satanism?
Muslims are preaching and practicing a “heretical” form of Christianity and their Holy Book, the Qur’aan or Furqaan is a “heretical” and reformed version of the Christian Bible. Yes or No?
Millions of early Jews and Christians (People of the Older Books) accepted it and became known as those who sumbit to the Will of the One GOD, that is, MUSLIMS in Arabic.
More and more Jews and Christians, Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists are accepting Islam today which claims to be the only natural religion (Diin) that GOD chose for His Creation (inanimate and animate) since the very beginning.
This does not prove that there is such a thing as GOD, but one thing cannot be disputed: Islam is currently the best suited religion for the whole world, not that it is 100% perfect, but that this is the best humanity has for a moral and righteous life here with very little controversy.
The above passages quoted from the Holy Qur’aan do not say that Islam was a new religion, but it is the same old religion of submission to GOD people call by different INVENTED names like Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, etc.
Come on, Basheer, are you crazy?
How dare you say such an outrageous thing that THE QUR’AAN IS A CHRISTIAN BOOK ADDRESSED TO THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS?
Well, I said it because I can prove it is the case, but it is up to you to prove me wrong if you really care! And, you can’t!
I gave you, STUPID Christians and Muslims, the solution to your problems by telling you the TRUTH while you are living in a make-believe world.
Do not believe the “Jehovah Witnesses” when they published recently that there are TWO BILLION Christians in the world. They lied.
But, even so, do you realise that if we have three billion Christians and Muslims uniting and fighting the common enemy because WE ARE ALL PEOPLE OF THE SAME BOOK (in its pure form), submitting to the same One and Unique GOD, believing in the same core values (virtues), Satan and his armies do not stand a chance?
But, I know, we won’t listen and unite because most of us are possessed by the Devil and in need of exorcism!
I am sorry for Mark Glenn because by posting this I am sure he will alienate some of our Christian Sisters and Brothers, but only if they dislike the TRUTH, that is, Jesus Christ himself who said he was the Light, the Truth and the Way because he did the WILL OF HIS FATHER, THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD!
Make no mistake: the Light was from GOD; the truth was GOD’s; and the Way is that of GOD, and this is Biblical – what Islam calls the STRAIGHT PATH – the MIDDLE PATH!
The voice of one crying in the wilderness (A Jewish joke!)
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm
In both cases the answer is no!
But, in the Qur’aan, GOD has chosen a name for the religion (Diin) of the believing Jews (Israelites), Christians, Muslims and all the believing nations around the world who received Revelations from GOD. Guess which one? (I cannot tell you everything, can I?)
God bless and guide you all – even the fools!
B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
May 27, 2011 at 4:39 pm
mark from kentucky says:
May 26, 2011 at 5:40 pm
“I can’t even tell you how relevant this is to a discussion I had last night on face book.”
There is an Islamic Saying:
To you your religion, to me mine, because GOD says so and says also that in Islam there is no compulsion in religion.
Frankly, when I read the Gospels I am not impressed by the way either Jesus or his mother are depicted. But, when I read the Qur’aan, I say to myself that it still does not prove that there was such a person as Jesus and that his existence is based on faith alone.
But, as a spiritual person, GOD is within us, in our mind, heart and soul and this belief is seen in our daily actions. Islam preaches the same religion as the Biblical Jesus preached (whether he existed or not) and that faith has to be followed by righteous actions (works).
LOVE GOD with all our heart, mind and strength and love our neighbours as we love ourselves. This is Islam or we can call it by whatever name we want. Because of indoctrination, brainwashing, fanaticism and racism NON ARAB Christians have been made to hate Islam, the Arabs and even the Arabic language.
Christians do not believe in the English GOD just because the word is English.
Muslims do not believe in ALLAH because GOD is an Arab or believe in the Moon God as many say!
Christians give us proof of their lack of CHARITY, LOVE and COMPASSION when they say Muslims do not worship the same GOD as they do or that Muslims worship Satan (Pr Texe Marrs and millions others) while the Muslims say Christians do worship the same GOD as the Muslims, but disagree when they associate partners with Him: Son of GOD, Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Mother of God, Saint worship, etc.
The reason why Muslims feel more comfortable with the Arabic term is because it is explicitly mentioned in their Holy Book, and that it has no plural and no gender. While you can say gods and goddesses in both French and English, in Arabic you can say only ALLAH – THE GOD! The term is neuter.
Surah 112 of the Holy QUr’aan sums it up beautifully.
112 – al-Ikhlâs – The Purity
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, the Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali
There is no way Muslims can ever corrupt this concept of and Truth about THE CREATOR GOD.

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